The Village Vanishes

[Doubar]

Apr 23, 2013 9:22:10 GMT -5 manche said:

His friendship with Bryn was different, I had suspicion that he had some romantic feelings for her.

Thank you!!! ;D One more who thinks his behaviour was a bit different from someone to whom Bryn is just an ordinary friend.
Honestly, I agree with you. The way Doubar acted around Maeve is totally different from how he acted around Bryn. Maeve and he always shared a bond that reminded me of siblings - he was so protective of her but in a very different way than he was protective of Bryn. With Maeve he would also argue or complain about magic, but with Bryn he constantly sought her advice and help and was worried about her. And I actually like the thought of Doubar and Bryn together a lot (the others know what I'm talking about xP ). ^^

As for the Ronin though: aye, that's exactly the things I thought about - him going after Maeve and his head peeking through the tent... it really was obvious then that he cared about her, and I for one felt reminded of a big brother who looked after his li'l sister.
But indeed, if we assume this kind of feeling then his behaviour during The Sacrifice becomes even more odd and sad to watch.

Concerning the ladies' relationship with the others I think you summed that up quite well. Maeve was obviously part of the family and beloved by everyone. I mean, she made a point anyway that she wanted to be treated equally and that she was. Bryn on the other side was mainly with Sinbad - or when he was otherwise occupied she was with Doubar. Only rarely did we see her walk or chat with Firouz and next to never with Rongar. In the scenes in which they were all together as a crew it was obvious they all got along well as friends and comrades, but I agree - it was different from S1.

The thing with Vorgon. He was there, when Firouz demonstarted his invention. He probably thought that this device can not defeat him or that Firouz is only person who is able to work with it.

Probably, yes. And maybe he was just too sure too succeed - much like Turok who underestimated Sinbad, too, after all.

[manche]

The only scene which I have in my memory, which showed a connection between Bryn and Firouz was from the episode Heart and Soul, when he tried to save her before the death. I do not remember any scene Bryn with Rongar.

And I forgot the great emotional moment from this episode. The scene, where Maeve showed the picture of the vanished people. The Rongar's move of the hand said: "please, help me." and the surprise and the shock of our heroes, that there still exists a chance for them. Until this moment, we believed that all vanished people are lost forever. After dissapearance of Dermott I thought, that he is gone forever, and I expected that the crew will find the way, how resolve the situation before the loss of the next member. And suddenly the next member was gone. I started to fear that the crew will not return to the ship complete.

[manche]

I have watched the episode Stalkers recently. There was a scene, when Sinbad kissed Bryn. In comparison with the similar scene from The Village vanishes it did not pose well here. In The Village vanishes it was the great scene, it was spontaneous and in this was the greatest charm. In Stalkers it seemed forcibly, in the style: "They have not kissed until this time, we must write into the script a similar scene." The reaction of the crew, in the first season they were surprised, but not in a negative way. There it looked, that this situation was very unpleasant for them.

[Eric/Deamus]

Apr 24, 2013 15:50:18 GMT -5 manche said:

I have watched the episode stalkers recently. There was a scene, when Sinbad kissed Bryn. In comparison with the similar scene from The Village vanished it did not pose well here. In Village vanished it was a great scene, it was spontaneous and in this was the greatest charm. In Stalkers it seemed forcibly, in the style: "They have not kissed until this time, we must write into the script a similar scene." The reaction of the crew, in the first season they were suprised, but not in a negative way. There it looked, that this situation was very unpleasant for them

agree with you totally,,, that's my impression too
and the crew reaction in Stalkers -compared to V.V- was always the thing to remind me > this is not supposed to happen, Maeve should be back somewhen ,,, it's not normal what's going on, just not natural/normal,
Maeve still somewhere in their minds even if they never said it in loud voices. i nearly could swear they thought of her in this specific moment even if it was split of second, but still, they still do care and didn't forget her,

[Doubar]

I think Bryn and Firouz had another scene in that ep with the Ballardi-monks ... ah, what's its title? Oh, right, "The guardian". But apart from that I don't remember much indeed. And a scene of her and Rongar doesn't come to mind.

Ah, and true about the emotional aspect - it was indeed a turning point when they found out the victims are not yet lost. Although I must admit I never really expected them to be truly gone anyway. Wouldn't have fit the concept of a show to kill off several main characters in one go. xP

As for the kiss though: aye, that's quite a blatant difference, isn't it? In "Village vanishes" you can see that the crew, though rather stunned, is happy about what they see. But in "Stalkers" they're uneasy, to say the least. It's like they don't really approve of the kiss, or as if they have worries that this might bring trouble. I don't know what the intention was - whether the guys acted so according to script or whether it was an unconscious thing done by the actors, but to me as the viewer it seems like they know that Sinbad didn't exactly kiss Bryn because he was in love with her but that it was just done out of the moment. While Bryn in turn is in love with Sinbad to him kissing her just makes things more complicated. But of course this is just my fan-opinion on this. *shrug* It's what I think of that scene now, after all these years have passed. Back when it was first aired I didn't notice all those tiny things.

[manche]

Apr 27, 2013 14:00:33 GMT -5 Doubar said:

Ah, and true about the emotional aspect - it was indeed a turning point when they found out the victims are not yet lost. Although I must admit I never really expected them to be truly gone anyway. Wouldn't have fit the concept of a show to kill off several main characters in one go. xP

I agree that it does not sound so much probably for the concept of this tv show. But during the first half of the episode was all situation described in the way that everybody who vanished is gone. So I expected that the crew finds a way for leaving quickly and that they leave before the loss of any member. Maybe with usage of Firouz's invention or with the usage of Maeve's magic. And suddenly Dermott vanished, after this situation Maeve found a possible cause of this situation, so I expected that they kill him and save themselves and the rest of villagers. And the next scene was the scene with vanished Rongar, I hoped that something happens and he stays, but my hope failed. I really believed for the moment that he is gone forever ( I did not expect that we will lose all main characters but one of them? Sometimes happens).

One question, when Belkor vanished? I am not sure if it was shown, he talked with Sinbad by the Milasco's house for the last time. I am not sure, if he was shown by the wall during Maeve's attempt to make the hole here.

[Firouz]

Hello, I've been out for a while....RL is being mean. Or perhaps its me being mean to RL and it's kicking back...IDK...

I'm getting ready to go back to college and I've got little to no time as it is....

in anycase, I don't recall seeing him in that scene, but then again it was focused more on Maeve's desperation in breaking through the wall, and Sinbad trying to calm her down at the same time as encouraging her in her attempt.

But, I think it is more than assumed, just because of what Sinbad said about the monster fortifying himself by taking more and more souls to fight against Maeve's attack that he was either close by or had some sort of magical sense that allowed him to know what Maeve was trying to do.


On another note: Maeve's attack was really quite powerfully and masterfully done. Think about it, the monster was what, a few thousand years old...at least, and it took people's souls to power itself/himself and the wall.

And even though she didn't break through it, she was really fighting against an entire village worth of souls. If one assumes a village is roughly 150-300 give or take (even though we really only saw a few dozen) that's quite a lot for any sorceress to fight against.

Spiritually/magically wise I mean.

[manche]

Yes, she was really able to fight against Vorgon for a quite long time. He had to absorb millions of people during his life. It would be a hard task for every magician, even Turock with his power would not have been able to defeat him.

[Firouz]

Agreed

[manche]

Apr 28, 2013 14:14:14 GMT -5 Firouz said:

in anycase, I don't recall seeing him in that scene, but then again it was focused more on Maeve's desperation in breaking through the wall, and Sinbad trying to calm her down at the same time as encouraging her in her attempt.

I looked at this episode yesterday and he was there. He vanished with two men in the second vanished group.

[Firouz]

Then he was there!

[manche]

The scene with Maeve trying to save all people is one of my favourite scenes from the whole series. She was trying so desperately and she used her best magic, but her effort did not help at all, but she did not want to give up. She stopped after the loss one of her closest friends, Firouz.

[Firouz]

Hense why she was so guilty and probably a bit depressed before she was taken too.

[manche]

May 26, 2013 11:28:46 GMT -5 Firouz said:

Hense why she was so guilty and probably a bit depressed before she was taken too.

She thought with the best intentions and it is good that she tried something at least. They did not have any better way of dealing with this situation, they could have only waited for the moment, when they turn into grey and dissapear.

[Doubar]

Hum, curiously I never really interpreted Maeve's determination as being born from the wish to help these people. Instead I rather had the impression that frustration and competition drove her. They didn't find a way out, and she couldn't find the solution in her books - it bugged her enough to act so heatedly. In the end to me this scene is one that makes her human because in my eyes it shows that she has flaws, too (lol, not that she wouldn't have enough already, but as a young teen I didn't see it that way - she was near to perfect for me back then x). But that's just my POV. I actually like the thought that she only was so determined because she truly wanted to help.