Maeve's seeing pool

[Maeve]

Oh my! I had completely forgotten my Maeve's seeing pool project even existed until I saw your comment, Manche! Thank you, I am very glad that you enjoyed reading it despite how insanely long it is. I sure put a lot of effort into it. Took me months!

Aye, one of my favorite moments from Season 2, which to me strikingly hints towards Sinbad longing for Maeve, is the "What is it that you desire?" scene in the Minotaur, too! Love that scene!

[manche]

Jan 3, 2014 0:17:30 GMT -5 Maeve said:

Oh my! I had completely forgotten my Maeve's seeing pool project even existed until I saw your comment, Manche! Thank you, I am very glad that you enjoyed reading it despite how insanely long it is. I sure put a lot of effort into it. Took me months!

I can imagine that you had a lot of work with this topic and the result of your effort is amazing. It is seen your love towards this character and i feel it similarly, Maeve was for me the favourite character. And similarly as Doubar mentioned i would be very curious of your interpretation of Hell House, but i understand your reasons for the end after Stalkers. I always dreamed here how nice would be if this Harpy was the real Maeve. They could save the rest of the crew together and return on the board and sail for seas together again. What a lovely idea!

[Doubar]

Jan 3, 2014 8:55:08 GMT -5 manche said:

[I always dreamed here how nice would be if this Harpy was the real Maeve. They could save the rest of the crew together and return on the board and sailing for seas together again. What a lovely idea!

Oh, you're not alone there, no definitely not. It would have been awesome indeed, but alas, we are left to imagine the reunion ourselves.

[Maeve]

Aye. I, too, would have loved it if it had been the real Maeve in that dungeon, yet I still can't quite decide if I would have preferred that outcome over the actual ending, which gives us all the freedom we want to imagine the reunion ourselves and so many opportunities for fanfiction after all. As it is, if it hadn’t been for the actual closure of the show, perhaps DL wouldn’t even exist...

As for Hell House and The Guardian, the last two episodes of Season 2, I guess I could try to survey them if I have enough time to spare...will think about it...

[manche]

If you will have some time, it would be lovely, but we understand when you will not have time for this, you certainly have a lot of more important duties. Or you can do it in the remote future. I am also working on my story and i am sure that it takes me quite a long time, maybe few years, than i will finish it.

[manche]

Only a momentary idea, but it would not be interesting a similar topic where we could see moments when the other members of the crew remembered to Maeve during the second season? I know that we are all busy in the present time, but maybe one day in the distinct future...

[Doubar]

Oooh, I actually like the idea, Manche. I guess I never watched the second season with this notion in my head but it should be a blast to do so.

[manche]

Dec 24, 2011 15:17:50 GMT -5 Maeve said:

Hello hello, mateys!

The Passengers

which brings me to the part where Kundalini hypnotizes him (at the tiller!). Now, previously in the episode, before Atib dies, he tries to warn Sinbad that they should turn the ship around because Kundalini is a high priest of some sort and it’s dangerous to have him on board. As the sailor speaks about this to Sinbad, he throws nervous glances at Kundalini who’s farther down on deck. At some point, Kundalini looks back at him and touches his medallion, somehow influencing/controlling Atib to shut him up before he can truly arise Sinbad’s suspicions. Everyone still following? Okay. Now, Atib’s reaction to the magical influence of Kundalini is fear. Sinbad’s reaction to Kundolini’s hypnosis is anger. When he’s under the spell, his anger is surfacing. There is a dark raging veil over his features, angry sparks in his eyes, and a few tingles of pain as well. Why? I’m getting there. And I hope it all makes sense to you. Here is the thing: when Kundalini hypnotises Sinbad, he points out that he is a strong one, hence he probably knows that using fear like he did with Atib won’t work. Thus, the only way for him to break Sinbad’s resistance is to find his weakness, and if you follow the more-than-obvious-hint given by the scorch mark above the tiller, right above Sinbad’s head, which Kundalini seems to look at right before he begins hypnotizing him, you have your answer. Maeve. Sinbad’s anger is what stands out the most when he’s under the spell because that’s what Kundalini uses to control him, because Sinbad himself doesn’t have control over his anger. Ever since The Sacrifice, he’s been bottling up his anger. He’s angry at life for taking Maeve away from him. He’s angry he couldn’t save her. He’s angry at the man he’s becoming. He’s angry at his recklessness constantly endangering his friends. He’s angry at the way he uses women to numb the pain away. He’s angry at Maeve for haunting him every single second. He’s angry he told her to grab some bloody lines on that horrible night. The list goes on and on. And Kundalini controls that anger, because Sinbad himself is unable to control it.

Oh, how much I like this interpretation of Sinbad's manipulation in Passengers. That Kundalini used his anger above the loss of Maeve for his control. I never noticed the scorch mark in this episode very much, but this makes good sense. By the way, if I remember correctly, he used his magic only against Sinbad and this crewman Atib, right? I would be quite curious of that fact which thing he would use if he wanted to control someone else from our main characters.

[Doubar]

Indeed, I think he only manipulated Sinbad and Atib. As for what he could have used to control the others: I don't know if Sam would agree but I think Firouz' weakness might still be that he feels he is the weakest link in the crew. Even though he was more of a fighter in S2 and a healer (ergo, a vital member) Kundalini's magic might have used this to amplify and exploit.
Rongar on the other hand has at this moment in time (the ep happened before his story was revealed, right? Gosh I really need to re-watch this season!) all those secrets he carries, and all that hurt. I imagine it would be easy to use that anger.
For Bryn I imagine it would be her insecurities and feeling of loss rather than anger that might prove to be an entry. Although I do think that her magic would protect her anyway.
Finally there is Doubar. I think Kundalini could have easily played the brothers against each other if he had chosen to do - not because there are any resentments but because there is guilt lying underneath. Doubar did everything he could to raise Sinbad well but he could never replace the parents the boy and he had lost. At the same time Sinbad obviously means everything to Doubar and we saw how utterly hurt and disappointed he was when Sinbad acted so strange. If Kundlini had gotten to Doubar right after this, I think he could have gotten the first mate as well. But that's just my theory on this.

[manche]

Oh, I like your interpretation of this issue very much. You have a great feeling for these characters which I really admire.

Your reasons for Doubar and Rongar are very interesting and very fitting to their characters (only a note, the events of Passengers took place after Ali Rashid and the thieves according more orders of episodes which I read somewhere, but there still could stay some unpleasant feelings inside him which Kundalini could use), I also thought a few times that Firouz was uncertain about his position in the crew and this feeling could stay somewhere inside him and Kundalini could use it.

I also agree with your opinion that Bryn would be protected by her magic (and if Maeve was there, I would think the same thing about her), her weak place also gives good sense.

I was thinking about it, Kundalini certainly manipulated with Sinbad and Atib, maybe he was responsible for the crewman who fell asleep during Atib's death as well and I think that he also manipulated with his bodyguard Masari immediately before his death. I thought at first that Masari protected this door from his own will, but Kundalini asked him quite strongly if he could turn towards him before he started with this and this would explain why he prevented Sinbad to enter so desperately that it cost him his life.

[Doubar]

Thanks. I'm glad you think so.

Oh right, though the Passage was after Rongar's secrets were revealed. That would mean a lot of the pressure would have been released already. But in that case we still have the issue of Rongar having chosen this crew of his kingdom and family. There might be a tiny spark of guilt and regret, maybe mourning and anger over the life that had been taken from him by Ali Rashid. In the end, even if Rongar already had his revenge at that point in time I think the whole issue would still have been an entry to his soul.

Yes, I guess both Maeve and Bryn would have been protected by their magic even when otherwise Maeve's temper would have been a perfect thing for Kundalini to work with. >.>

Concerning your theory about the other crewmen: that's actually an interesting theory and probably a correct one, too. And I agree with you on Masari - the body guard was most certainly brainwashed as well. Or he was scared of what Kundalini might do - though if that were the case he could have sought help instead of fighting Sinbad until his own death.

[manche]

Jan 5, 2012 12:52:38 GMT -5 Doubar said:

I remember, in the many talks we already had here at DL about these circumstances, many times the series 'Charmed' has been mentioned as a good example of how the sudden parting of a main actor can be dealt with. In this series one of the protagonists had to be replaced, too, but they handled it all in a very sensitive way; had the remaining two sisters really mourn and had them even have a hard time accepting the new sister themselves. It gave the audience a chance to get used to it all, to understand the new dynamics and - and this is most important in my POV - gave the show a chance to actually develop a new dynamics. AoS instead just changed from one ep to the other - from S1 to S2 and the audience was left to accept or stop watching.

I have never watched Charmed but there were next TV series which were able to deal with the loss of a main character very well. For example when John Doggett replaced Fox Mulder in The X Files it was great done. He was not a simple replacement, but a new character that tried to find Mulder and was interesting enough. Mulder definitely was not forgotten by his closest people (Scully, Lone Gunmen and probably also Skinner). Or The Lost World in the last season, when Malone left this TV series. He was constantly remembered to his friends for the rest of the TV series and he was still in their hearts. Oh, how much I wished something similar for Sinbad.

[manche]

Jan 2, 2012 3:50:56 GMT -5 banmaixanh said:

Jan 1, 2012 14:11:32 GMT -5 Doubar said:

I know exactly what you mean, Ban. And guess that most of us feel the same way about this. And it was exactly this one thing which put so many fans off if you ask me.

Over here, they only have the DVD of the season one of the show and some television only play the season one because the audiences don't care much about season two.

Oh, this is interesting information. I have never though about the fact why the second season was aired only one time in our country (and not completely) contrary to the first season which was aired three times on our TV stations at least. Maybe for this reason also?

[manche]

Dear Maeve, what happened with this amazing content of yours?