Maeve's seeing pool

[Doubar]

You're welcome.

And no worries about not having read the rpg. It's become so much that one would have a hard time catching up on everything. And this said, it's always okay to ask!
Plus, you weren't that wrong after all, because it seemed only logical to us that Maeve could use a seeing pool just like Rumina did, hence the whole idea.

And I agree whole-heartedly. When it comes to the connection to S1 The Sacrifice and Hell House are really the only eps you need to watch. All the other eps seem more like a different series somehow. Not necessarily a bad one but a different one nevertheless.
As for watching the downpath of a sailor: yeah, guess that's what you could really call it. And though back when S2 first was aired I never thought of that, nowadays I'd really interpret all this as a picture of a man who is going through a tough time in his life.

Right!! It confused me, too, to see they did not simply kill Maeve but kept her alive albeit not really planning on her return. But I'd dare to think that this was maybe Naha's doing. He really loved the show and I could imagine he didn't want to just kill off a character that had become so important to the crew. Or - though I hate being this pragmatic - they just didn't want to spend the time having the crew mourn over a dead Maeve. With her just being gone and safe they could move on in the plot, but had she died, they would have been forced to tend to that plot in one or two eps. Anyhow. I guess we'll never get to know. And in any case I like your interpetation a lot anyway: He's rebelling against life, against pain, just like any human tends to react when facing a broken heart, when grieving.
Very well spoken.

[Rongar]

You want to know something funny/ironic/sterotypical/and maybe even a little stupid about season 3 Ed had been planning...at least to me it seems a little TOO mixed in the genres...

Sinbad; no magic beyond that of being a good guy with a strong spirit. The bracelet is simply a way to tell WHO the future leaders of the world are. No powers at all; magically or technology-wise.

Bryn; daughter of a spiritual/elemental pacifist who communes with nature and flora.

DimDim; found and returned

Dermott; the new cabin boy (hinting that perhaps he never aged whilst in bird form??)

But, here's where my IF about season 3 comes in...

It's an interview from Ed Naha...I can't find the webpage, but I found this in an extremly old email...

What would you have done for the "end all and be all" series finale?

The end of the series would have been an almost "Close Encounters" type show, wherein everyone wearing a rainbow bracelet gets visions of a certain geographical spot in what is now called The United Kingdom. They all journey to the spot (our crew follows, confused) and are confronted by the last of the Alien "watchers," a dragon-like creature whose spaceship is no longer capable of flight. He has allowed the other watchers to flee safely. It seems that these creatures, when discovered, are tracked down and killed by various knights (really?!) out to have a dragon head on their mantels (another genre or mythology I don't know should have been mixed). Since they are non-violent, they are like lambs led to slaughter.

The Alien creature basically repeats the New Testament's "beatitudes" for the assembled rainbow bracelet wearing crowd. ("Blessed are the peacemakers, etc.") He tells them all that they and their children and their children's children are now entrusted with saving humanity from its own foibles. They have been chosen because they best exemplify what is strong and true in the human spirit. The path will be hard. There will be set-backs but, until the "watchers" return, it is up to these peacemakers to guide the planet. In the crowd, along with Sinbad, Bryn and Tetsu would have been ancient citizens who bore more than a casual resemblance to ( ) Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King, etc.; thus hinting that this line of strength and goodness is still around us.

Have I abandoned Sinbad or my cast? Hell, no. If you guys raise a ruckus and get us back on the air via a TV movie, or a third cable season, I'll be there in a New York heartbeat . . . And, if I never get to do another "Sinbad," maybe one of you, ten, twenty years from now, will figure... "Gee, I saw this TV show, once, a long time ago. I liked it. Maybe I can do something NEW with it," and so it goes, Magic continues. It's all around us. It's in the birth of a baby and the growth of a flower. You will make it flow


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Dragon-like aliens who brought the dead Sinbad, Tetsu, and Bryn back to life....along with so many others....IDK....to me it seemed a bit off in genre's but that could be me...?

[Fireland]

I remember that weird Raelian-like interview. So yeah, I really don't mind it stopped at S2, with an episode that's pretty obvious about Sinbad and Maeve (Mala does offer to help find Maeve, if she was dead she would have told her son wouldn't she ?)

I agree with you about Dermott. Did the show ever mentioned his age ? In french the only part where we guess about who he is in the ep The Beast Within, when he says ''je le retrouverai, ma soeur'' (I will find him, sister). No idea if he's older or younger than her. Maybe in the original language we know ? Well anyway, in the last ep of s1 if I'm correct, Maeve says Rumina is ''slippery'', because she's been chasing her for YEARS.

In my mind I really think of Dermott as a handsome MAN (not boy), muscular and all *miam* ;D

[Rongar]

Yes, Dermott did call Maeve Sister there, I believe.

Also, I always thought Dermott grew up and aged even as a bird, so I picture him as an adult too.

[Doubar]

Aye, it seemed weird to me, too, that Dermott was to be the cabin boy as this would imply that either he was veeeery young when he got cursed or that he didn't age while in bird form. However, personally I, too, always pictured him to be a young man afterwards (I thought him to the younger brother, however the fandom mostly seems to think him to be the older sibling).

Bryn; daughter of a spiritual/elemental pacifist who communes with nature and flora.

Oha. I thought she was Turok's daughter?

Dragon-like aliens who brought the dead Sinbad, Tetsu, and Bryn back to life....along with so many others....IDK....to me it seemed a bit off in genre's but that could be me...?

No, that's definitely not just you, dear. For as much as I love Naha's ideas for S1 as much do I feel the final idea to be weird.

Fireland:

In my mind I really think of Dermott as a handsome MAN (not boy), muscular and all *miam* ;D

;D

Oh, and the story part of the interview/mail can be found here.

www.farfarawaysite.com/sinbad/edcorner/beyond.htm

[Fireland]

I too, pictured him to be the older brother. He's so protective of her as an hawk, that's a rather simplist deduction, but it *felt* like an older brother. Even more when we see the dynamic between Doubar and Sinbad, you end up thinking ''that's what older brothers do'', hehe !

But really, that interview is just weird. And what Naha answers about Maeve and Sinbad relationship makes no sense either. It even contradicts what Jacqueline Collen had said about the characters.

Solitaire"Now this is a question that I hear everyone asking, what was going on between Maeve and Sinbad? Did the producers have any future plans for them?"

~Jacqueline: "Maeve and Sinbad were in love with each other, but he was scared because of what happened to Lea, his first love as a child. She was scared because she felt she was dangerous to those she loved and because she didn't want to let being in love distract her form her mission. I don't know what would have happened if the show had carried on for years and Maeve had stayed on it, but I do know that the romantic tension between the two was one of the major draws of the show and the producers wanted to keep that going."

So that's so weird that right after, Naha says that after a few episodes, they saw behind the camera that there was nothing to do with those two characters (romantically speaking). You'd have to be blind not to see how that indeed, as Jacqueline said, was the major draw of the whole first season, and even part of the second one.

I don't want to doubt this interview with Naha, but it seems so off, for many reasons, that I still don't know if I can believe it or not. I only know I believe what I saw in the episods that DO exist, and it's telling me the relationship between M/S was a big part of the plot.

[Doubar]

True enough.

And yeah, that interview had me frown, too. It didn't match what was obviously there and what Jacqueline had somewhat confirmed. However, I guess in one of our earlier discussions we settled on believing that since the interview was made after the series had ended, Naha came to somewhat negate the whole thing since it was a "dead" story line anyway. This of course would also mean "The Sacrifice" was indeed nothing but the final closure of the Sinbad Maeve plot and thus the preparation for a new start in S3... but it's the most sensible explanation I can come up with. Because, just like you said: one would have to be blind to not see that there WAS something going on between the captain and the Celt.

[Fireland]

Makes sense. After all, by the time the episodes are filmed, the producers, scriptors, etc., are already way further in the storyline they want to develop. So I can understand, as you suggest, that Naha's idea of how the show would evolve was already over the Maeve and Sinbad plot. But at the same time, could you keep the audience's attention if the relationship between two lovers was really obvious ? I mean, doesn't we all get excited when we sit in front of our TV, wondering what will happen this time between the two, and don't we just love the ''i want to, but i don't want to'' flirtatious relationship ? Again I think of series I've watched recently and mentioned earlier : X-Files, House ... even Friends (Rachel and Ross), or Sex and the City (Carrie and Mr. Big), same pattern. It's just not fun if we already know they will or will not end up together. The magic is precisely to let that tension be : sometimes heats up, sometimes colds down, but never disappears.

And I'm SOOOOOOOOO thinking about the Hot'n'cold (Katy Perry) AoS fan video right now *lol*

[Rongar]

Doubar, Yes Bryn's the daughter of Turok and a female elemental pacifist. She bore both Rumina, evil daddy's girl, and Bryn. She escaped and took Bryn because she gave up on Rumina.

Fire, yes I totally agree. Some of the interviews clash, but since the show was cancelled I guess we as fans can pick and choose how we would want our own S3 to go.

[Doubar]

Oh, alright. So the mother was the pacifist. Cool. .D

[Rongar]

Yea, mom was the pacifist!

[Fireland]

Hey, I've just watched The Gryphon's Tale. I wanted to comment on your interpretation

-on the ship, Doubar teases him about Diana a little bit “It’ll be good to see Diana again, too…” Diana being some former tart he dated years ago and with whom he’s hoping to have a fling, to push his longing for Maeve away.

I agree on the past, but I'm not sure about the future. The way he answers Doubar, reminding him he too had a fling with a barmaid (from what I understood), tells me they're just having some laugh about the past. Which also tells me, from the fact that Bryn was there and heard everything, that she's really ''one of the guys'' for them to talk so openly about their one night stands, thus she is definitely not a love interest to Sinbad. Could you imagine is he had said that in front of Maeve ? Really, has Doubar ever teased his brother about any other girl besides Maeve ? And if he did, it was certainly not in front of her. So I think it says a lot too about Bryn and Sinbad's relationship, for she doesn't sound or look jealous at all.

-just what the hell kind of cleavage does Diana have??!? Geez…

Bwahahahahaha, I admit I was flabbergasted when I saw that. I mean, I don't care about cleavages, we have seen many lovely ones even in season 1 (Rumina and Gaia), and I'm not afraid to admit it even if I'm a girl, hehe. They looked fantastic and had a great body, so go girls and flaunt it ! But Diana ... that's a bit over the edge. I was imagining the scene before they started shooting the episode : ''Alright guys, is that enough boobs ? Ok, just push them up and lower that neckline some more'' *rofl* I don't know, it looks cheap.

- Then Diana pouts at him “That’s for standing me up in Basra” and luckily he manages to swallow back the whirlwind of emotions assailing him, babbling out excuses to try and salvage the situation “I can explain…I think…If you give me a minute.” Diana invites him to try and convince her as he trots behind her “Then explain.” His mind is racing there, and the first thing he comes up with is “Look, there were these harpies…Really!” God he’s being so lame, and he knows it, [glow=red,2,300]and Maeve is invading his mind like a tidal wave, because she is the reason he never returned to Diana [/glow]

I absolutely agree on your interpretation about Maeve being part of the reason why he stood Diana up. BUT, I must add, the rest of his lame excuses tells me he never intended on seeing her again anyway, she was probably just some girl he had a one-night stand with before leaving and thinking about how Doubar and him talked about her, I must say it's plausible. I mean, without being disrespectful, it still sounds like ''let's compare catches'', and Sinbad would NEVER do that with Maeve, and he would never talk like that about Bryn either, even if he doesn't love her romantically. Simply because he has respect for both sorceresses. *Probably because they're not giving themselves so easily, but that's another story* ;D

Which confirms this to me is when she says:

Diana turns to him for a moment “Not really. [glow=red,2,300]I bet they were all female, too…” [/glow]and then she walks away.

I think she knows she was just one he had added on his list and that's what angers her. By the way, get over it girl, it's been almost two years *lol* And him, well, I guess he feels cheap, somehow, but he is polite enough not to tell her she was just a fling.

He stays behind with a hurt, remorseful face, his eyes lowering down as he thinks about Maeve and about all the other women he used to push his longing for her away, and in some deep, remote part of himself, he feels as if it’s her he’s trying to justify himself to at the moment, not Diana.

I partially agree. I think he's not hurt about Diana's behavior or words. I really think he doesn't care. In fact, I think he pities her more than he cares about her (because she's still mad and he knows he had probably charmed her just to bed her so he feels cheap about it). But for the rest of it, I absolutely agree, I think too that he's realizing he's actually trying to justify himself, in regard of his feelings for Maeve.

-meanwhile, Sinbad is trying to salvage what is left of his relationship with Diana. “I did disappear, Diana. And for a good reason.” A.k.a MAEVE. He met her and he madly fell head over heels in love with her, never giving Diana a second thought. But of course he can’t tell her that. So he babbles again, looking for excuses that don’t involve Maeve “You see, there was this pasha who swindled us…then he decided he wanted to use our ship for fire wood…I mentioned the harpies, didn’t I?” Diana replies “Several times” and then he’s back to being evasive “One voyage lead to another…” And he’s trying really hard not to mention that there is another woman in his life, a woman who stole his heart and took his breath away, a woman who he thinks about every single second, the woman who’s the very reason he’s trying so desperately hard to win Diana back right now because he can’t deal with the longing he has for her.

Again, everything you felt, that his explanations were actually involving Maeve, I think you're right. But I don't think he's trying to win Diana back. He really sounds like a guy who doesn't want to be too harsh if he told her what his real thoughts were. Like, he meets her a year later in a supermarket and tries to find excuses to explain why he didn't call back, without saying ''girl, it was nice, but all I wanted was *****'' ;D I don't think he ever intended to have a relationship with her ...

-in the forest, when the whole village walks down the road in the baddies’ way, [glow=red,2,300]Diana is utterly stupid[/glow], literally standing in front of a charging horse.

... and that's probably the reason why. *lol*

Note: If Maeve had been the one captured, he would have heeled the horse and galloped after the wagon to try and catch up with it.

Absolutely.

“But Dermott stays here. Out in the open he’d be a sitting duck.” (...) He remembers the time he proposed to send Dermott to distract the colossus that Rumina had summoned to crush the Nomad right after he had beheaded her father, and Maeve had yelled at him “Dermott is a hawk! He will not serve as your personal sitting duck!”

That's a good observation there ! I hadn't noticed at all before I read your text about this episode

-in the end, there is no real conclusion with Diana. The crew is back on the Nomad right away, with Doubar teasing his brother “I bet Diana was appreciative, too…” Sinbad sends him a dark angry look, and Doubar averts his gaze right away, knowing he just hit a nerve. Notice how Maeve’s scorch mark is right between the two at that moment. But Sinbad is angrier at himself than at anybody else. He thinks about Maeve. About how he used Diana to push the pain away. Which didn’t really work…

Hmmm, I don't think they actually had a fling. I think Sinbad just knows how lame he was when trying to find excuses and that's what Doubar was teasing him about (sounded like a sarcasm to me when he said ''I bet she was appreciative''), since all she did was being mad at him the entire episode because he stood her up, hehe.

[Doubar]

Feb 23, 2012 16:34:17 GMT -5 Fireland said:

The way he answers Doubar, reminding him he too had a fling with a barmaid (from what I understood), tells me they're just having some laugh about the past. Which also tells me, from the fact that Bryn was there and heard everything, that she's really ''one of the guys'' for them to talk so openly about their one night stands, thus she is definitely not a love interest to Sinbad. Could you imagine is he had said that in front of Maeve ?

Aye, I have the same impression. Although I guess that Sinbad mentioning the barmaid was rather a payback for Doubar's comment on Diana. Anyhow, I agree with you: in S1 they never really mentioned any former flings and the only one who ever did was Talya herself. So yeah, Bryn really seems to be more like "one of the guys"or a sister maybe (I actually even prefer the sister-like-idea ) rather than a love interest to Sinbad.

I think it says a lot too about Bryn and Sinbad's relationship, for she doesn't sound or look jealous at all.

Indeed she doesn't. She doesn't in many episodes in fact. There are only so very few when she does look upset then and even that looks less jealous than it does annoyed by the mere fact that Sinbad is flirting with these ladies (which a sister could be as well).

-just what the hell kind of cleavage does Diana have??!? Geez…

Lol, Maeve. My thoughts exactly. ;D

*Probably because they're not giving themselves so easily, but that's another story* ;D

Lol, good point there, Fire. ;D But right indeed. I guess Sinbad is most attracted by those who do not imediately fall for him. The feistier they are, the more he gets interested in them.

I don't think he ever intended to have a relationship with her ...

Don't really think that either. Had he intended to have a real relationship with her at any point, he would either have brought her along to become one of the crew or would have stayed behind with her. Plus, after what happened with Lee I don't think that before Maeve he ever had any serious intentions anyway. He was a young captain, scarred because of the death of his childhood-love - I really don't think that any of the girls he dated before the series began was more than a short romance. My POV at last.

“But Dermott stays here. Out in the open he’d be a sitting duck.” (...) He remembers the time he proposed to send Dermott to distract the colossus that Rumina had summoned to crush the Nomad right after he had beheaded her father, and Maeve had yelled at him “Dermott is a hawk! He will not serve as your personal sitting duck!”

That's a good observation there ! I hadn't noticed at all before I read your text about this episode

Indeed, I hadn't noticed it as well (which is also due to me watching the German dub mostly tho). But it's remarkable. Thanx, Maeve.

And in general: Rumina I've been meaning to ask you for weeks now, but somehow never really wrote it down... I know the seeing pool project was meant to only cover the eps during which Maeve would really have checked on the crew, but... I really would so love to see your interpretations of Hell House. I know it all is obvious there, but sill I would really love to hear your POV on it. And as you for sure have watched it already anyway, it wouldn't interfer too much with your play I hope.
Don't worry though if you don't want to do it, or don't have time (I know you're awfully busy these days) - I just wanted to take my chance and ask.

[manche]

This is such a great topic, i found it two days ago and i am totally excited by this. I love that you see the memories of Maeve behind these Sinbad's actions, i also tried to find something similar when i watched the second season for the first time, the proofs that Sinbad did not forget to her. Nice insights here, indeed. I was thinking about some of them as well (for example "Who do you want me to be?" from the Curse of Gorgons or “What do you desire?” from Minotaur) but some of them never crossed my mind. Really great job was done here.

[Firouz]

It's been an interesting discussion, that's for sure.