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Post by manche on Oct 20, 2013 14:05:39 GMT -5
I would recommend you to post this part and you can start to do the next part after some time, when it will be more convenient for you or you can work on it according the pace which will suit you best. It can be useful for your writing when you have the basic structure, you can think about individual sections of the structure and play with them in many different ways, it can bring you new ideas, new inspiration. I write sometimes so i know that the similar pause can be useful for your writing i was able sometimes to write something in a better way when i slowed down a little and i was thinking about something in my story longer. It does not work always but for me it works very often.
And the chapter which is centred on Maeve can not simply be unimportant, it must have been simply briliant. ;D
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Post by Doubar on Oct 20, 2013 14:22:07 GMT -5
Awww, thank you MJ and Manche. You two really are the best!!  Seriously, your help is invaluable to me and since you both voiced the same opinion I will do as you said and leave the chapter as it is. Which means: new update on its way! ;D I've already uploaded the document and adjusted the breaks, wrote the A/N and all that stuff. And if I can manage I will give it another read-through tomorrow so that the chapter should be online on Tuesday at the latest.  manche: What you say is definitely true, yes. A little pause can do miracles, while the pressure of having to finish something does nothing but kill your muse. I noticed those last couple of days when I had to re-write what was lost which is also why I was so tempted to just make use of the coincidence that I had unknowingly created a decent break. And I'm beyond glad you support the idea of getting the chapter out now so I can work on the following part with more ease.  Ah, I hope you still say that when you've read the chapter. xD And now, concerning your other post: D'aww, now you're making me blush. What a lovely thing to say! But really, it honours me so much to know you and the others like the story, so saying thank you for your amazing support is the least I can do! Ooh, and nice to see I'm not the only one who started off liking this couple when the concept of a romantic relationship was not even fully understood yet. But I guess that's just the awesome thing about Maeve and Sinbad, isn't it? That even to a child they held something special - something that exceeded the normal romance theme and was so universal that even our young minds could relate to it. * is happy as a clam :3 * Aw, and how lovely to know that in your story Maeve's return will be all happy and nice. I still love those scenarios, too, and as you can see even use it for The Rise. ;D A more mature approach has its very own fascinating aspects and you can write a whole multi-chapter monster on it if you were inclined to do so. But at the end of the day, whenever I want to read something with the spirit of S1 I am always looking for the problem-free reunions. ^^ Same here!  |
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Post by MJ on Oct 20, 2013 14:31:48 GMT -5
Yay! This is really an awesome week to have a vacation! I'm so excited to read your next chappie!
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Post by manche on Oct 20, 2013 14:40:53 GMT -5
For example i found that a lot of ideas i got before sleeping or when i have troubles to sleep and i am lying in the bed only. And you can think through more options and then choose the best. Yes it was amazing to watch it and i was holding thumbs to them and was angry when a woman kissed Sinbad before Maeve, for me these two were the unofficial couple and i was waiting in each episode if they will kiss or hug again. And how i was sad when Maeve dissapeared in the storm.  We are same in this, i also always want to feel the friendly atmosphere the season one. It is not bad to read something more mature but I wish the friendship between these great women more. |
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Post by Doubar on Oct 20, 2013 16:15:35 GMT -5
MJ: Ah, don't be too excited though. The chapter really isn't that spectecular. In fact, I think this is the weakest part yet so, please, no high expectations. manche: Ooh, I know. I often have my ideas when walking somewhere (to work or grocery shopping). Main thing always is that the mind must be at ease, because then ideas can filter in freely. He, and same here. I, too, waited for another sign in each ep - a gesture or a spoken word. And I as well was pretty much crushed when Maeve got lost in that storm. Ditto!
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Post by Doubar on Oct 21, 2013 14:02:29 GMT -5
Soooo, as was requested, here's the next chapter of Rise of the Phoenix. Rise of the Phoenix: White Rosewww.fanfiction.net/s/7477348/19/Rise-of-the-PhoenixPlease, don't expect too much this time though. I've had a really hard time writing this, mostly because I got all confused over how this all must seem to Maeve and how she would react. I knew what I wanted to happen, but also had to take into account that she has no idea what took place exactly and... well bottom line is: I am not exactly proud of this chapter and will accept any criticism that you might wish to throw at me. I hope I can make up for 'White Rose' with the other two chapters though, and hope that you still enjoy the read a little! manche: Ah gosh, thank you SO MUCH for those amazing reviews!!!!! I really feel honoured beyond telling and will try to reply properly as soon as I can. Should I not manage to do so tomorrow though, be sure that I'll catch up on that this weekend. |
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Post by MJ on Oct 21, 2013 14:57:09 GMT -5
Totally R&R'd, as always, you were far too worried ;D the chapter is lovely!
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Post by Doubar on Oct 21, 2013 14:59:52 GMT -5
MJ: Have I told you lately: you. are. a. doll!!!!!! Thank you so much for your review!!! You have absolutely NO idea just what kind of weight you just lifted off my shoulders. *tacklehugs just because* Maybe I'm just being too harsh on myself again, I don't know, but I really am not too happy about this chapter. Maybe that's still to do with the whole re-writing stuff but to me this part simply feels like the weakest so far. Thus I was worried it'd be the same to my readers, but to know that it's not quite as bad and that you still liked the read... ah, that's brilliant! Aw, and yeah, Maeve really is a poor Lass there, isn't she? The only one who has no clue and just sucked in it all because that sailor of hers had to be the keeper.  xD Yeah, and don't we just love him for that? ;D I know what you mean, I am super happy that it shows! Because that's exactly what I hoped to bring across. Again, thank you soo much, honey! You really made my day! *** edit: Lol, almost posted at the same time as you. ;D
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Post by MJ on Oct 21, 2013 15:05:36 GMT -5
*Catches the tacklehug* ;D I think it is a good thing that it isn't completely the same as the previous chapters. You give your readers (and your characters) some time to breathe. We needed to come down from the dramatics as well! (Not that I don't love the dramatics!) You had hit a high, the thing that had been built towards had happened, now it is time for reflection, for bringing Maeve back into the fold, for explanations and for lots of hugs ;D And ya know how I love my weird old Dim-Dim  |
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Post by Doubar on Oct 22, 2013 17:04:41 GMT -5
MJ: D'awww... SO glad to know you look at it that way. ;D Aye, I know. ;D @rongs: He did! ;D Though originally I had never intended him to know. He was supposed to only have found out thanx to the rose, just like the priests did, but then I suddenly had this idea: what if everything that we saw, all what they went through, their meeting, their seperation - what if all that lead them there? DimDim seemed to have a certain kind of foresight, he could tell the things that are supposed to happen and which can happen, only he cannot say if they really come to pass. Or at least that's my impression of him. He couldn't say whether Sinbad would defeat Turok, but he could say what would happen if he didn't. And I picture things being similar with Sinbad and Maeve. He knew of their fate, just couldn't say if they'd be able to follow the path they were destined to go. Yeah, it was something along those lines. I can't remember the original quote as it's different from our dubbing (in our dubbing he simply says: "I knew you before you became a hero") but know that his words had a deeper meaning to them. He always seemed to know something important about Sinbad, something that we never got to know (although, of course, thanx to Naha's S3 outline we do know that most likely it was all about Sinbad being one of the moral leaders of mankind). Aw, thanks!!! I'm so glad you think it fits her. Because I was a tiny bit worried about her still being in-character or not. So reading you think she was comes as a great relief to me. As always, thank you so much for your amazing and constant support, dear. You know how much it means! manche: Wow, I feel like I'm on endless-repeat but really, thank you so much for taking all this time to read and comment! Since you're writing yourself you know how much it means to know that others enjoy what you do. So reading these awesome reviews of yours truly is beyond awesome! And I really am happy you liked how I portrayed Sinbad in his struggle to get to terms with everything. There were times when I worried I'd make him be too doubtful. He's usually so confident in himself, but I think we saw in S2 that he's not always like that. Still, I am beyond relieved that so far nobody thought I went OOC with him, and that it all seems fairly fitting. Oooh, I remember loving writing those scenes with her in the hidden realm - where she feels that something important is about to happen, it's only she cannot know what it is. And I'm glad to see that you, too, like it. Aw, and as for Doubar and his belief in Sinbad and the Lass: you described that perfectly, really! Because yes, the way I see it Maeve is way more to the first mate than just a dear friend. She's more like a little sister than anything else and as such he loves her deeply. To him, she's already extended family and he trusts her as much as he trusts Sinbad. But of course you are right - all the crew have faith in those two. And Bryn is no exception to that. She might not have gotten to know Maeve till then, but she can see her in Sinbad and can sense their deep connection and that is really all she needs to know. Lol! You're right, he isn't all that old now is he? ;D But I chose that kind of substitution so that I would not always have to write "Turok did this, Turok did that", and "the evil sorcerer" gets repetetive rather quickly either. So I am always searching for new ways how to replace the name and thus keep the language colourful and since Turok's still one of the oldest characters of the show... well, he has to live with me calling him that. xP xD xD And now as for Darkness falls part 2: Whaa, really? Awww, I'm so happy you like that chapter so much. I must say, "Darkness falls" was one of the most interesting chapters to write. So intense, together with the following two, and fascintaing to picture. You know, for me, while writing it's always like I have the scenes as a kind of movie in my head and all I do is try to write down what I see. For some chapters that works well because the things I picture to happen are so "alive" and clear (like it was for this chapter for example) and with others it becomes a rather tedious kind of work (like it was for the current one  ). Anyway, what I try to say is: it's fascinting to see how what was awesome for me to write also impresses you the most as this tells me that I was able to bring down on paper what I saw in my head (if that makes any sense xD ). I'm so glad you like it! This they did indeed. And you shall find out about the latter once you read on. Yeah, it was a rather logical change in tactics, I reckoned. And I'm glad to see this is appreciated. Oh my gosh, seriously? O.O You're not kidding me? O.O This is... I'm speechless!!! That's... never would I have ever expected someone to say that! Wow, and it really honours me more than I can say. *hugs just because* Aw, but now you see, that's not true! Your story's just different than mine. RotP is very heavy on fantasy, and the emotional world of the characters and on spiritual (or whatever you want to call them) levels. Yours in contrast features war and very real dangers - armies and battles being faught. You have so many locations while I have only three: the lost realm, Aijakar and Turok's and Rumina's lair. Thus, your story requires a totally different writing style than mine does. So for starters you cannot really compare our two stories anyway. Each one is unique and each needs and has their own style. And really, you put a lot of detail in your story, too. You bring back so many elements from the show - I again have only brought back one. So don't feel so bad about your own writings! We all grow while practicing and what you might admire about my works has come from many, many years of writing. I don't know if you paid much attention to the A/Ns at the beginning, but in them I told how old RotP really is. I started this story somewhen back in the early 2000ers! No kidding! The story was born somewhen around 2003 I would think. Which means I've been working on and off on it for ten years now! I had large breaks in between, and several writer's blocks which is why I took so long. Anyway, what I want to say is that originally the story was never meant to be so detailed. I had estimated it to have about eight chapters maybe and had I managed to finish it back when I started, it would have been so much different from what it is now. But during those many years I wrote short-stories and read a lot. I thus changed my ways of writing, too, slowly but steadily. It led to the story becoming more detailed, my own developing writing style changing little things and how they were drawn. You will see, the more you write and the more you read, the more do you get a feeling for details and pace of a story. And in the end, the one thing that counts is that you like your result! Don't compare yourself to others. Believe me, I've been there - MJ can tell you a lot about that. I whined to her a whole lot about how I was depressed that other authors were so brilliant while I felt I was stuck with my writing abilities. This comparing caused my huge writer's block this summer and only now that I have managed to not care about that anymore was I able to write and enjoy again. And if I have learned one thing in all those years it's that usually readers also love those parts best that you enjoyed most writing. D'awwww... thankees. Thanks again and again.
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Post by manche on Oct 23, 2013 3:25:03 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, seriously? O.O You're not kidding me? O.O This is... I'm speechless!!! That's... never would I have ever expected someone to say that! Wow, and it really honours me more than I can say. *hugs just because* Aw, but now you see, that's not true! Your story's just different than mine. Probably the big shipper speaks out of me, but i really love this story the most from all which i read (and many of them were great). I always hoped during the watching in some progress of their relationship and during the second season i watched it in the hope, that one day they will really meet again and their relationship will continue, that they admit their mutual feelings and they will not pretend something before the rest of the crew (it is meaningless, our boys know how things are). And you did even more, you brought the thought of the soul mates which can not be separated from each other. And you bring back the friendly atmosphere of the season one which I absolutely love. Thank you, I am satisfied with my writing, this is the reason why i started to write stories at the primary school, I thought it in the sense that i could learn by you in some aspects, for example the detail description of some places or thoughts of characters (but I have not written many things in this field so far, i did a few first steps, when i am trying to describe Firouz's meeting with Velda, it should be the very emotional scene) and it is the truth that i have extended the main plot about some scenes so far and i am sure, that this will be continuing. |
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Post by Doubar on Oct 27, 2013 14:29:53 GMT -5
manche: Well, we hoped for the same then. Though I must admit I also love how they pretend yet everyone knows what's going on. That's just too cute. ;D As for the soul mates part though... aww, I'm happy you like that. Because that's what I always saw in them, and what attracted me so much about those two. I guess it's got to do with their on-screen chemistry. As the great friends they were in real life, their characters practically emitted their mutual fondness of each other, and it gave their acting so much depth that I always felt reminded of soul mates. And I wanted to do something with that, lay emphasis on it and develop it further. Aw, now that's good to know! Because being happy with your own works is the most important and best thing about it all. And I really feel honoured to read that you think you can learn from me. That really is invaluable! I myself learned a whole lot from Nili and authors from other fandoms whose descriptions just blow your mind. And isn't that just the fascinating thing about writing fanfiction - that we all learn from one another and then inspire others in turn? And thank you again, so much, for the lovely review - this time on ch15! I'm super happy you liked it! I really enjoyed writing their mutual ordeal, not because I like to see them suffer, but because it seemed such a lovely thought to me that Maeve would be his anchor and that in turn she would risk everything for him. If the role were revised, Sinbad would do just the same, and that's really what makes those two be so awesome. And I'm so glad that you, too, like that aspect of their relationship and think I portrayed it well.
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Post by manche on Oct 28, 2013 6:45:53 GMT -5
Yes, it was the great fun to see the rest of the crew who clearly realized the relationship between them and they sometimes used it for the fun on their account. (The rescue is the good example of this)
The connection between these two was simply brilliant and their great friendship probably helped create it very much. The connection was always seen in everything what they did: in their conversations, in their mutual perspectives, in the touches, in the smiles, even in their occasional arguments.
It is always good to learn something new and because everyone is different we can learn something by him, something which can enrich our own life.
chapter 15:
If is someone so close to you, you will not surely hesitate when he needs your help, even if you risk. And as you said Sinbad would do the exactly same thing if the situation was vice versa. It was described in this part perfectly.
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Post by Doubar on Nov 7, 2013 15:08:00 GMT -5
manche: As always, thank you so much for your lovely reviews!!! They really mean so much to me, you have no idea. I really am super happy that you like those two chapters and how I draw the relationship between Sinbad and Maeve. I always wanted them to be connected in a way that was special and unique, and this fic gave me the opportunity to do so. Also, I am happy you like how I incorporated Doubar and Dermott into this. I really like the bond they each share with their siblings and always try and let that shine through. Aye, and wasn't it like that in the show, too? ;D As for chapter 17: Aww, really? You think it to be beautiful? That's awesome!!!! Because that's what I wanted it to be. Looking back at it now, I must admit that at some points I think my language was a bit edgy, or complicated. But seeing this chapter is so different from all the rest anyway, I guess that can be excused as artistic means. Anyway. I really, really am happy you like this part so much. Aw, and yeah, in a way Rumina was more realistic there than Turok, right? Well, I guess having to live and rule the dark armies on her own for a couple of years would have taught her some realism while in turn Turok might have become a bit too sure of himself. He's always been so, but having come back from the dead might have just increased that. Now as for the reunion scene: Indeed I didn't include one for Maeve and the guys. I was considering doing that but then opted against it. I am relieved to know though that you think Rongar being the first to recognize their long missed friend is something of a good compensation for that. Again, thank you a whole lot!!! Oooh, and you're definitely right - it's always good to learn something new. And we all can learn from each other as we have different views on the world and different talents. Indeed. And that's one of the things I love about this couple. Their feelings are honest and thus each would risk everything if only that meant they could save the other. Thanx for thinking I described that well!
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Post by manche on Nov 7, 2013 16:45:11 GMT -5
manche: As always, thank you so much for your lovely reviews!!! They really mean so much to me, you have no idea. Also, I am happy you like how I incorporated Doubar and Dermott into this. I really like the bond they each share with their siblings and always try and let that shine through. Aye, and wasn't it like that in the show, too? ;D Anyway. I really, really am happy you like this part so much. Aw, and yeah, in a way Rumina was more realistic there than Turok, right? Well, I guess having to live and rule the dark armies on her own for a couple of years would have taught her some realism while in turn Turok might have become a bit too sure of himself. He's always been so, but having come back from the dead might have just increased that. Now as for the reunion scene: Indeed I didn't include one for Maeve and the guys. I was considering doing that but then opted against it. I am relieved to know though that you think Rongar being the first to recognize their long missed friend is something of a good compensation for that. Indeed. And that's one of the things I love about this couple. Their feelings are honest and thus each would risk everything if only that meant they could save the other. Thanx for thinking I described that well! I think that showing Doubar and Dermott's emotions more was the great move. For the rest of the crew Maeve and Sinbad are close friends (i am not sure which word I would use for the feelings which has Bryn towards Maeve at this time, she has the faith in her, but she does not know her until this time) but for these two are siblings. (literally and figuratively) Definitely, Turock was too confident, which had the big share in his defeat, he admitted it himself in The Vengeance of Rumina. And Rumina experienced a lot of unpleasant things during the year where her father was gone, she was defeated by certain people (the crew, Caipra) during a few occasions, she also experienced the loss of her magic, she was in the situations when she was feeling the real fear (The Trickster for example) and she was not sure if she could survive without her magic for a longer time (when i remember to the fight Maeve with "Rumina" in The Trickster, if it was the real Rumina i would bet in their combat swords rather on Maeve) I am very glad that I will see the reunion of Maeve with Doubar and Firouz too in the next chapter. Doubar also has the very deep relationship towards her. She means a lot of for Firouz and Rongar too, it would be great to see the reunion with both of them, but i understand your reasons for this and that Rongar probably found out that Maeve was present here as the first person is quite a good compensation. And I hope that we will see some scene of Maeve with him later and I hope in some similar scenes with Dermott and Bryn as well. I am not sure if you plan something similar, I'll see it later. I like this willingness to sacrifice for the other not only from the side of Maeve and Sinbad, but by the rest of the crew also. I like how they are all so close to each other, one big caring family, when each is willing to risk his own life for the protection of the second, especially in the season one. And i like how you brought this atmosphere back in your story with adding of Bryn. |
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