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Post by maeve3000 on Jul 24, 2013 13:58:10 GMT -5
manche: Weeell... Jacky and Zen are great friends and even nowadays still chat from time to time, that's for sure. In general, as far as I know it, the whole S1 cast got a long very well. When Jacky visited DL in the early days she herself said that she missed Zen, George and Mia the bird when she left. Also, in another interview she said she often felt like being the only girl with a bunch of brothers so I would think it's safe to say the atmosphere between the main cast of S1 one was good. As for S2 however... I've only heard rumours about that but it seems there was quite some troubles between various cast members there. I know of no details though and I have no proof either. It's just vague rumours but if you can believe them the atmosphere must've not been as good as during S1. It is the great thing with the second season, but is the shame if the rumours about the second season are true. well rumors. why they should change at the 2nd. Only Mariah came new in it. and she is a lovely lady. Tim and George wasn't there a short movie Tim did with George together? George did honey I shruk the kids wich was produce also by Ed naha. and Tim I guess is in contact with the old cast since he wanted to get the show back. |
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Post by Doubar on Jul 24, 2013 14:04:55 GMT -5
*shifty eyes* Well, yeah, I heard rumours of not everyone getting along with Mariah. But I really, really don't want to spread any untruths which is why I will just shut up now. I don't have any sources that I could share and don't recall where I read or heard that. It might be completely rubbish and the crew got on just fine. That's why I emphazised it was a rumour that I have come across. *shrugs apologetically*
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Post by manche on Jul 24, 2013 14:06:39 GMT -5
I have the interest about it because it was felt the atmosphere of friendship among the characters in the series and i think that would be great if the reality would be the same.
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Post by maeve3000 on Jul 24, 2013 14:09:51 GMT -5
Tim once told at a interview it was good Mariah came onto the show because Jacq needed to be with her family.
I not knows Mariah but I can't image her that like... that what I knows from her not let me though of her as a difficult lady...
I thing it's just a rumor told from a fan who can't be happy with the changes and wanted Jacq back. (don't hit me for this)
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Post by Doubar on Jul 24, 2013 15:02:59 GMT -5
manche: Same here.  maeve3000: Yeah, I, too, can't really imagine her to be a trouble maker. But you know, sometimes two people just don't get along, no matter whether one's a trouble maker or not. So I wouldn't rule it out completely that there's some truth about the rumour. But anyway. Like I said, I don't want to spread any untruths, and I really like Bryn + Mariah seems to be a good person indeed so yeah... At any rate I think we can safely assume that the atmosphere on set must've been pretty great during S1. And surely it was lovely during S2, too.
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Post by manche on Jul 24, 2013 15:16:57 GMT -5
Tim once told at a interview it was good Mariah came onto the show because Jacq needed to be with her family. I not knows Mariah but I can't image her that like... that what I knows from her not let me though of her as a difficult lady... I thing it's just a rumor told from a fan who can't be happy with the changes and wanted Jacq back. (don't hit me for this) It could be the explanation, I also was not satisfied with the leaving of Jacq but it seems to me stupid to blame Mariah or something like that. And we have only speculations and rumours there and maybe without any piece of truth, so it is useless to try to make a decision. |
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Post by manche on May 7, 2014 5:01:34 GMT -5
I mentioned this question in a different topic, but i hope that it does not mind if i will repeat it again. We talked about the fight between Maeve and Doubar and how horrible would be if the crew arrived too late and they would find one of them dead. But how hard it would be for Sinbad according your opinions? (I believe that it would be even worse situation for him than for Rongar or Firouz). What would be worse? If his brother killed his love or if his love killed his brother? How much would his relationship towards the survivor change because of it? I am quite curious of different options of you.
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Post by Doubar on May 7, 2014 12:58:27 GMT -5
Ooooh, interesting!!! Now that's a tough question indeed. Tough because he obviously loves both people, though in different ways. Doubar is his only family, his guide and best friend. The bond those two share is deep and it's love of the purest kind. I assume he'd be devastated if Maeve would have killed him. On the other hand, Doubar is quite a good bit older than Sinbad, and I think there was always an unspoken knowledge between them that Doubar was likely to die first. Not only because of that, but also because we all know he'd sacrifice himself for his younger brother if he had to. In "Village vanishes" we saw Sinbad cry openly about Doubar's "passing", yet he remained strong enough to go on. In the Werewolf episode he was even willing to kill him. On the other hand, there is Maeve. Someone he's only known for a few months, but he's fallen hard for her - we all know that. What connects them is special and while working on a whole different level than the love that's between the two brothers it's no less beautiful, and not necessarily weaker. If we watch S2 from a M/S shipper point of view we can see what losing Maeve has done to Sinbad and it shows that he didn't deal well with it at all. So, concerning the question we have strong evidence that he'd suffer a big deal. To be fair though, we have nothing to compare this with as Doubar never went missing for long in the show. To come to some kind of conclusion: I honestly can't say what would have been worse for Sinbad. I am tending a bit towards saying that losing Doubar would have been worse, just because they've spent years together whereas he and Maeve have only known each other for months. So yeah, I'm voting for Doubar, but only by a hair's breadth. As for the second question though: I really think it doesn't matter who would have survived, because the relationship to them would have taken a similar course. And that's not because of Sinbad but because of the survivor. Neither Doubar nor Maeve would have been able to ever look Sinbad in the eyes again. Their guilt would have been to great, as would have been their pain. We often said that they were like siblings to each other, too, Doubar and Maeve. I don't think they could have ever forgiven themselves if something had happened, no matter whether it was a spell that blinded them or not. Of course, with both there would have been the chance that Sinbad and the survivor were able to pull through as I cannot see Sinbad blaming either Maeve or his brother, but things would certainly have never been the same again. At least, that's what I think. |
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Post by manche on May 7, 2014 13:55:19 GMT -5
Yes, we talked about it, that if one crewmember killed the second it would do the big mess among the whole crew, it would not be important who would end up dead. Definitely, it would be worst for the surviving member if he would be able to cope with his guilt at all. Living with the thought that you (although inadvertently) killed one of your best friends, someone close to you like own sibling... a horrible thought. I absolutely love there how they both shockingly declared after the fight that they would never try to hurt the second.
Maybe you are right that it would be a little harder for Sinbad if it was Doubar. But both possibilities would be definitely horrible for him. He was raised by Doubar, he means so much for him, not only a loving brother (as he said in Bully). Yes it was mentioned in The village vanishes that both of them always know that there will be a time when Doubar will not be there for him. I must admit that i always thought that his tears were not only because of Doubar disappearance but because he lost the rest of his crew as well, his closest friends, his family. I do not know how it was in the english but in our dubbing he said: "Why had I to lose all of you?" Between him and Maeve was a relationship as well, also deep, only in a different way. It was never spoken directly, but they realized it both, as well as the rest of people around them (including Doubar). And really her loss changed his character very much in the second season from our point of view. So, it would be even possible to make any decision about this in this case?
But I do not want to say that if something similar happened between Firouz/Rongar for example that it would be much easier for the rest of crew to cope with the similar situation.
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Post by manche on Jun 26, 2017 14:23:54 GMT -5
One thought, should not Maeve get an idea that she does not fight with Rumina tightly before the arrival of the rest of the crew? I mean, choking and moreover with such enormous strength it is not a style which we could wait from Rumina, she would reach for her weapon to cut her throat more probably. Yes, Maeve was under the spell, it could affect her perception, but she is also skilled in magic enough to feel a different spell, this small difference could be a next clue that something is wrong with this situation and it could help her to break the spell which blinded her. (When Rongar managed it, the man who does not have any magic power).
Do you think that the crew would even go deeper into the inland of the island if Rumina did not arrive there as well? Maybe the crew would not experience this adventure at all if she was not here. But Trickster could react to this situation and move a little closer to them in hope that some of them enter to his territory.
And anyone expected that we see the worst nightmare of our Dermott as well? For example a short image when he turns from a man to a hawk?
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Post by Doubar on Mar 9, 2019 10:23:08 GMT -5
I was feeling nostalgic today and after two rather straining weeks I thought re-watching AoS was just perfect (and I was right, too  ).  Trickster really is one of my favourite eps but for the first time today I really noticed that Rongar was the only one who was able to break through his illusion without the help of others. I regret to say I don't remember if we've already noticed that before, but to me it really stood out in a positive way today.  Rongar is awesome! |
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Post by manche on Mar 9, 2019 10:38:36 GMT -5
Hello Doubar,
how are you? I am glad to see you again.
I was also watching some episodes of Sinbad recently and I was surprised for the first time when I found that our dubbing of Village Vanishes has a lot differences from original.
And I think that this thing with Rongar was mentioned there somewhere, but you are really right, Rongar was the only one who managed to end his nightmare alone, without any help. He and Rumina more precisely. He had to live on his own a lot of time after leaving Bollnah and relied only on himself (or Mustapha maximally).
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Post by Doubar on Mar 9, 2019 10:48:17 GMT -5
manche! Great to see you around! Been busy as always, unfortunately. And with colds and the flu going around I, too, was affected the last three weeks but it's better now. What about you, though? Ah, and I half suspected we had established that already - just I really couldn't remember whether we had. x) And how great to know you, too, have been re-watching AoS lately. I still find it fascinating that after so many years we still cherish this little show so much. If only we had more time on our hands to still be active and keep the fandom alive.  Anyhow. As for what you said: I don't actually think Rumina was able to break through the illusion. She just ran away from it and when she was back at Sinbad's side she was still shaken and frightened. She wasn't aware of it being just an illusion, whereas Rongar I believe understood what had transpired - which also helped him break Firouz out of it so easily. I mean, I think if I found a friend screaming like that I would first be worried if he was hurt or something and try to check on him or look around for danger, yet Rongar simply shook Firouz out of it as if being aware that Firouz was just going through something similar as he had.
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Post by manche on Mar 9, 2019 10:59:30 GMT -5
A good notice with Rongar, he must have realized what happened to Firouz and helped him to get out of it. With others it was different - Trickster ended their hallucination when it seemed convinient to him ? We talk about it that he could frighten them to death literally, but it would not be in his best interest to kill them actually, don't you think? He made this charade because he was bored, if they died, he would not have anybody to play with and would be bored again.
And you are right, Rumina managed to escape, but she did not realize that it was an illusion. But contrary to others, she was not threated by it anymore, or do you think otherwise?
And I am still a little surprised that Maeve did not feel anything strange, especially that Rumina decided to choke her and with such force, it is not the style of Rumina.
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Post by manche on Dec 21, 2019 13:34:25 GMT -5
Ooooh, interesting!!! Now that's a tough question indeed. Tough because he obviously loves both people, though in different ways. Doubar is his only family, his guide and best friend. The bond those two share is deep and it's love of the purest kind. I assume he'd be devastated if Maeve would have killed him. On the other hand, Doubar is quite a good bit older than Sinbad, and I think there was always an unspoken knowledge between them that Doubar was likely to die first. Not only because of that, but also because we all know he'd sacrifice himself for his younger brother if he had to. In "Village vanishes" we saw Sinbad cry openly about Doubar's "passing", yet he remained strong enough to go on. In the Werewolf episode he was even willing to kill him. On the other hand, there is Maeve. Someone he's only known for a few months, but he's fallen hard for her - we all know that. What connects them is special and while working on a whole different level than the love that's between the two brothers it's no less beautiful, and not necessarily weaker. If we watch S2 from a M/S shipper point of view we can see what losing Maeve has done to Sinbad and it shows that he didn't deal well with it at all. So, concerning the question we have strong evidence that he'd suffer a big deal. To be fair though, we have nothing to compare this with as Doubar never went missing for long in the show. To come to some kind of conclusion: I honestly can't say what would have been worse for Sinbad. I am tending a bit towards saying that losing Doubar would have been worse, just because they've spent years together whereas he and Maeve have only known each other for months. So yeah, I'm voting for Doubar, but only by a hair's breadth. As for the second question though: I really think it doesn't matter who would have survived, because the relationship to them would have taken a similar course. And that's not because of Sinbad but because of the survivor. Neither Doubar nor Maeve would have been able to ever look Sinbad in the eyes again. Their guilt would have been to great, as would have been their pain. We often said that they were like siblings to each other, too, Doubar and Maeve. I don't think they could have ever forgiven themselves if something had happened, no matter whether it was a spell that blinded them or not. Of course, with both there would have been the chance that Sinbad and the survivor were able to pull through as I cannot see Sinbad blaming either Maeve or his brother, but things would certainly have never been the same again. At least, that's what I think. One thought towards this, what if one of these affected people or the rest of the crew had only the hallucination that Maeve/Doubar is really dead? It would be the nightmare which would frighten them all to death undoubtedly. By the way, I was little surprised that Dermott did not appear there with the others during the fight. He could prevent Doubar in killing his sister quicker than Sinbad, maybe he would even woke him up from his hallucination (when he forced Trickster to reveal his true form). |
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Trickster really is one of my favourite eps but for the first time today I really noticed that Rongar was the only one who was able to break through his illusion without the help of others. I regret to say I don't remember if we've already noticed that before, but to me it really stood out in a positive way today. 
Rongar is awesome! 