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[banmaixanh]

@doubar: Another sweet chapter. I like how Bryn goes to find Doubar when she needs someone to share her problem. It's a natural reaction of her when she is scared. And how sweet Doubar is, he knows her problem just by looking at her. It's really great. I love it. It reminds of the sweetness of "Remember me".
Hey, I think you wrote "remember me" around this time last year right? *goes to check* hehe. I'm right. Here's what I found: on DL: "Reply #28 on Mar 20, 2012, 10:49pm" and on FF.net "Updated: 5-17-12 - Published: 5-13-12". It's hard to believe it's a year already. I still have the feeling that I've just read it yesterday.
Turn back to the newest chapter, it will be sad if what Bryn saw in her nightmare is indeed her past. I deeply hope it's not.

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Though, honestly? I really think Doubar to be so gentle. I mean, he's shown us often enough that while he should never be underestimated while in battle, he's also chivalrous and just lovely in his very own way. Just think of the belly dancer in one of the S2 eps. While internally I'm rolling my eyes at his staring her up and down, it was way sweet how he scolded the other watcher for trying to touch her. Also his way with children and his regarding Maeve as a sister, not to mention how gentle he was with Bryn... they all are hints towards his nature. So to cut this short: aye, personally I do think him to be this gentle with the people he loves.

Ah, I totally agree with you. I always have the impression that Doubar is the strong man and cans easily scare the people around him but he actually is a good and caring man. He is gentle and has great respect toward women. I don't believe that he is the kind of men who likes one-night stand. A lot of fics I read, Doubar is drawn like that but I simple disagree with the authors. Talk about this one, I have read the little chat of you and Manche in "the tricker". You two talked about the problem between Doubar and Fortazza. I don't know what is the problem between them but the talk between them convinces me that Doubar really cares for women and kids and he has the deep hate toward the people who harm them.

And I, too, like to focus on the pain and insecurity and what grand kind of love there could be between them rather than on how childish they can be. Though then again, I do have to admit that it's not always easy to sort such things out.

You're right. It's not easy to work with that topic. I've tried but never succeed.

Not to mention that it has to be considered that Maeve most likely just won't allow herself to commit to anything else than freeing Dermott, while Sinbad might just be at a loss of how to woo a woman when normally they throw themselves at him.

But isn't it what makes us love them?

[Doubar]

MJ: Aw, you're right. It's a turning point - not only for Bryn and Doubar but the whole story as well.

And knowing what is to come sort of makes it all the better-

Aye, it does. ;D

@kriss: Awww, thanx for the lovely review, dear. <3 We're sooo happy you like the chapters. More's to come next Thursday. ^^

@firouz: Thanx to you, too, dearest!!!! <3 I'm glad you appreciate of Bryn's falling for him. I hope you enjoyed the read!

@ban: Awww, thanx a lot, honey. I'm super happy you like it. <3
Aye, this natural reaction - that's what I wanted to show. I just love the thought of him being sort of a home to her, the confidant she naturally turns to. Doubar is there for her when she needs him, and - true - in that regard it resembles "Remember you" indeed, doesn't it? Wow, but I didn't notice it's been a year since I wrote that one. My gosh, how time flies by! O.O

As for the nightmare... I'm afraid so. The intention behind this was indeed that these are remnants of memories, though on purpose I didn't specify what role she had in them. She might have been there in order to try and protect these people, might have attempted to save them from her father and sister; or she might have been evil herself. The latter of course is not the case in my books, but it would be possible. Bottom line though, aye, the nightmare she's had was intended to be part of her past. *cuddles poor Bryn just because*
[additional: I may add the spoiler though that they're not going to be an issue anymore in this fic... the topic of her past doesn't really fit with the purpose of the little series so I just grazed it in this shot and then let it be. We may just happily assume that Doubar's keeping the nightmares away. ^^ ]

He is gentle and has great respect toward women. I don't believe that he is the kind of men who likes one-night stand. A lot of fics I read, Doubar is drawn like that but I simple disagree with the authors.

Uhm, yeah, I guess the problem is Doubar's famous saying "Wine, women and song." Makes him appear as quite the kind for one-night stands and such. But honestly, I believe it just expresses his joyful nature. He does love women, aye, finds them to be beautiful and everything... but if we take into account what we have seen in the show we realize that he's the kind of guy who adores the female beauty and who treats women with respect. He protects them and gets all shy when he's indeed having a crush on someone. So yeah, to me as well, Doubar is a good and caring man and while maybe not the most handsome guy to walk this earth, he certainly is a great catch thanx to his kind heart and soul.

You two talked about the problem between Doubar and Fortazza. I don't know what is the problem between them but the talk between them convinces me that Doubar really cares for women and kids and he has the deep hate toward the people who harm them.

Aye, that fits very well and sounds reasonable. It's the direction my thoughts were taking, too.

You're right. It's not easy to work with that topic. I've tried but never succeed.

Same here. I usually just depict them as rather mature, and focus on the grand epic soul-mate aspect of their love. Which is also though why I admire MJ so much for being able to work with the childish aspect as well - it's something I have not succeeded in yet.

But isn't it what makes us love them?

Definitely. Yes.

[MJ]

@ Kriss and Firouz: What she said ^

Same here. I usually just depict them as rather mature, and focus on the grand epic soul-mate aspect of their love. Which is also though why I admire MJ so much for being able to work with the childish aspect as well - it's something I have not succeeded in yet.

Pssst TK, you're making me blush again. Quit it with the praise before I start making a list on what I admire you for and then the mutual sweetness will turn the entire forum diabetic and our feet will fall off. *ahum* I mean, thanks

Aw, you're right. It's a turning point - not only for Bryn and Doubar but the whole story as well.

You should read the whole thing if you've got an hour or two to spare, it's fun! But this is really the point where it becomes a more coherent story instead of losely related bits.

Uhm, yeah, I guess the problem is Doubar's famous saying "Wine, women and song." Makes him appear as quite the kind for one-night stands and such. But honestly, I believe it just expresses his joyful nature. He does love women, aye, finds them to be beautiful and everything... but if we take into account what we have seen in the show we realize that he's the kind of guy who adores the female beauty and who treats women with respect. He protects them and gets all shy when he's indeed having a crush on someone. So yeah, to me as well, Doubar is a good and caring man and while maybe not the most handsome guy to walk this earth, he certainly is a great catch thanx to his kind heart and soul.

Doubar's characterisation in regards to women is kind of all over the place. He didn't want a woman on board for the first five minutes, the idea of (Sinbad's) marriage breaks the whole crew out in giggles as if they were five and girl's have cooties, the whole crew waits patiently on deck while Sinbad is bonking some courtisan but on the other hand he gets shy when a woman expresses interest in him and he gets protective of women. It's weird I'm telling ya. So we get to characterize him as we see fit I guess, it'll fit with some of his sides anyway

[Kriss]

You're welcome, girls :* :*
I can't wait

[Doubar]

@kriss:

MJ: But it's all true. *shrugs* And even at the risk of repeating myself, but: Honour to whom honour is due. You're welcome. ^^

Haha, yeah, that should be fun though - reading the whole thing through. I must admit I didn't do that till now (shame on me, I know). I will go back and read random pieces though, every now and again - which is just as much fun. ;D
But right indeed - from this shot onwards, the story is a coherent one. We even hardly make large jumps in time anymore. xD

And as for Doubs: Hehe, aye, you got a point there. His characterization isn't exactly a clear one in that regard. It didn't really occur to me, but now that you point it out... it's only too true that his behaviour ranges from "Women? What the heck?", to "Hahahaha, Sinbad likes a gi-hirl... *fits of giggles*, grazing "What? We're sailors. Can't we have a li'l fun when in port?" and then all the way to: "Oh me gosh, she looks at me! Now what do I do, what do I do?". The last is kinda cute though. xP

On a more serious note though, when looking at it from various ankles, I think most of his behaviour still is coherent of sorts.
1) No women onboard! - Liking women and being protective of them doesn't automatically mean you think them capable of sailing as well. Not to mention that a woman onboard would indeed mean bad luck, seeing how a bunch of men will go crazy over her after a few weeks on sea... It just means trouble all around, unless she is a passenger and preferrably journeying together with her husband.

2) Being all giggly about Sinbad and Maeve: Just for the laugh of it. They're not smirking their heads of because Sinbad has a random fling, but because it's the Lass and both pull the whole "Nooooo, we're so NOT interested in each other" act. If I were in Doubar's shoes I, too, would break out in giggles at the whole Sinbad marries Maeve thing for as long as the two lovebirds act that way. ;D

3) Sinbad's courtisans and Doubar being protective: So, on the contrary, here we have women who don't mean a thing to Sinbad. He doesn't deny anything, he's pulling no act - other than being Captain Casanova - and thus the crew don't have fun. They know what's happening happens in consent and that both people are adults. What else could they do anyway? So they wait till they're clear to leave port. *shrugs*

4) Doubar's own shyness as soon as a woman he likes shows interest in him, too... That's where it gets a bit weird indeed. Because at all times he's ... you know... a man. He can be tough, fearsome, courteous, joyful... and suddenly he gets all shy and insecure and makes you want to give him a hug... it's weird indeed. But I just ascribe it to the fact that he's simply a cutie and softie inside. And that, as soon as he himself is involved, he just wants to make it all right. This and the fact that maybe he didn't have too many serious love interests in his life (how could he anyway with that brother next to him *pats Doubar's head*) so when he *does* have someone be actually fond of him he starts to feel all warm and fuzzy. ^^

So yeah, that's my two cents on this. ;D

[banmaixanh]

@doubar:

Aye, this natural reaction - that's what I wanted to show.

And you showed it obviously and sweetly.

I may add the spoiler though that they're not going to be an issue anymore in this fic... the topic of her past doesn't really fit with the purpose of the little series so I just grazed it in this shot and then let it be.

I see. I also guessed that the nightmare won't be used anymore in this series but still I feel for Bryn. She will be hurt when she remembers her past, especially if she was evil. You don't write it down doesn't mean it won't happen.

We may just happily assume that Doubar's keeping the nightmares away. ^^

Hihi. It's a sweet assumption.

Uhm, yeah, I guess the problem is Doubar's famous saying "Wine, women and song." Makes him appear as quite the kind for one-night stands and such. But honestly, I believe it just expresses his joyful nature.

Haha. I too believe that it's the kind of joke he has. Men like talking like that, in their talk I only hear about "wine and women". A lot of my friends also joke like that so it's normal when a sailor like Doubar like talking that way.
However, I think Doubar may means the singers or dancers. Women often appear as singers or dancers in the parties or tavern, right? In this case, I think I'm too innocent if I think that he just means that. Haha. ;D ;D ;D

Which is also though why I admire MJ so much for being able to work with the childish aspect as well - it's something I have not succeeded in yet.

It sounds like the next chapters of the series are really great.
I can't work with their childish too. I just can't write anything in childish style beside I also don't like them being childish.
I like a lot their argument and their shrewishness toward each other. I like them to argue not in childish way but in the mature way. It's what I haven't succeeded yet but my sister does very good job in this. Her stories make me laugh a lot because the argument between the two. Let I find something of hers and translate it so you can see how is her job.

[Bryn]

Oooo, cant wait for the next chapter

[Doubar]

alex:

@ban: Aw, I'm glad you think so.

And yeah, the nightmare wouldn't be a good theme to continue with in this series. But it's an interesting topic nevertheless. I have long pondered making a story out of that (not just a one-shot but something longer) but I couldn't find enough enthusiasm yet to start with something like that. In any case though, in my books Bryn would never be evil. Those dreams she has would be her memories, aye, but in the end it would turn out that she tried to help and protect (which she didn't necessarily succeed it, but in any case she didn't commit any of those crimes she dreams about!).

You don't write it down doesn't mean it won't happen.

True that. And thinking logically you'd have to expect that some day she *will* find out that these are not just dreams. But she won't be alone when that happens, and she'll have someone to lean on. :3

Hihi. It's a sweet assumption.

Isn't it? ^^

As for men and their jokes: Yeah, maybe. xD Honestly, I don't know. I grasp men about as little as they grasp us women. But yeah, I can imagine they just like to show off and pretend while maybe they're the biggest teddybears inside that you can possibly imagine. xD

Women often appear as singers or dancers in the parties or tavern, right? In this case, I think I'm too innocent if I think that he just means that. Haha. ;D ;D ;D

I like the way you think. ;D

And as for the next chapters: Well, I do hope you'll like them.
And sure, go ahead. Would be lovely to read a work of your sister. To be honest, I didn't know that she, too, was writing for the show. You are one creative family, dear.

[MJ]

Well the wait is over. I've just posted chapter 8! And yet again forgot to get the link. Will get it in half an hour, after FFN has posted it properly.

In this one the repercusions of Bryn's spending the night in Doubar's bed will become clear

[Eric/Deamus]

oh, that remind me that i didn't read the last 2 chapters ... well at least i've now 3 chap to read in row in my little free time today, it'll be wonderful

[Doubar]

JUst providing you with the link: www.fanfiction.net/s/9099662/8/The-Courting-of-Bryn


MJ: Thanx for uploading, dear! *hugs* I inserted a "oOoOo" to devide the two parts of the tag. Hope that's alright with you.

@teti: Aww, I hope you'll enjoy all three of them. ^^

[MJ]

@tk; darn, I always forget that FFN swallows the dividers! Thanks for fixing it!

@kriss: Thank you for the review! Doubar really is a sweetheart, more so because he doesn't even know she heard him telling off the crew. He can be coarse and an idiot too at times, but he is incredibly protective of Bryn, he just wants her to feel at home. So yeah, I get what you mean by more than just so so ;D

@teti: Did you read 'em yet? What do you think?

@all: TK and I had a discussion at the very beginning of starting to post this about telling y'all who wrote what tag. I kind of like the idea of people guessing who wrote what, especially because we're not going in order. So my question is: Do you always know before starting to read who wrote it and if so does that makes you look at the tag differently? And if not, can you always tell who wrote it?

Because, well generally I can tell which bits I wrote, mainly because I wrote them, but sometimes- and maybe this is because I've re-read it a couple of times and have become very familiar with the piece- but sometimes I read something and think: Haha, that's so funny what I wrote, only to realize that it's TK's tag I am reading, or I read something and am admiring TK for it, only to realize it is my tag. (TK, do you have that as well?)

I am not asking if you enjoy one writer better than the other, because that can only lead to hurt feelings (and let us not kid ourselves, those feelings would probably be mine. I bruise a lot more easily than TK.) just if you can always spot the writer.

[Eric/Deamus]

Apr 27, 2013 14:59:06 GMT -5 MJ said:

@teti: Did you read 'em yet? What do you think?

oh MJ i didn't yet Mum got sick (bladder infection leads to severe hypertension which is very dangerous as she is naturally hypertensive and so on.....)
so i was to have all what she wanted to do, till now as she still ill, all her work in home which took my free time. with me returning late from uni ...... so i slept !
i'm so sorry!
but i'm free tomorrow, and i'll try to finish my domicile work early so i can get the night free ,, and being able to read with focus,

i can read them now, but i'd not enjoy them as i'm tired and not focusing well i always need my mind clear & fresh while reading something i like, so i wouldn't even being able to give you proper opinion, i'm so sorry,
but promise, tomorrow and may be earlier than the evening

[Eric/Deamus]

Apr 27, 2013 14:59:06 GMT -5 MJ said:

So my question is: Do you always know before starting to read who wrote it and if so does that makes you look at the tag differently? And if not, can you always tell who wrote it?

yeah definitely all the chapters i read till now, i recognized who's the authors without looking to where you wrote the author's name
and yes, i believe i can guess who's the author in the next chapters oh, that'll be a good challenge but won't be difficult *me guess*
BUT this doesn't make me look to tag any different, and you know that you both are ones of my favorite authors,,

I am not asking if you enjoy one writer better than the other, because that can only lead to hurt feelings (and let us not kid ourselves, those feelings would probably be mine. I bruise a lot more easily than TK.) just if you can always spot the writer.

that's weird to think like that MJ!
because i could differentiate easily between both your styles but in same time i enjoyed both A LOT ,,, i'm not telling that because we're friends, but it's the truth.
each one of you has her own style and i enjoy each separately,,, i mean with same degree but with different ways, if you know what i mean,
it's like when you read for Lamartine, Victor Hugo, and Alain Fournier,, it's not like one of them is better than the other,,, i love all of them and love their writings although each one has his very own style, very different from the others and may be also they follow different literature schools -not sure- but i still love them to the same degree and i can't say which one i prefer...
hope i could explain my point of view..

[MJ]

Oh Teti don't apologise! You don't have to do anything, you're busy enough as it is. And your poor mum, getting sick like that. That must be very stressfull for you as well, and with all the stress you already have in your life...
You read it (or don't) when you have the space in your life and you think you will enjoy it. Don't do it for me (or for TK) but for yourself. You need to think of your own needs as well don't you know? Or you'll never get what you want. I'm not saying you should ignore the needs of others, but be aware of your own needs and fullfill them when you can. And fullfilling your own needs definitely trumps reading a fic to make us happy! We'd much rather you be happy yourself (speaking for TK here, I'm sure she won't mind) and if reading our little game of tag makes you happy in that moment, hurrah! If not, please go do what does make you happy and huraah for that as well ;D

that's weird to think like that MJ!
because i could differentiate easily between both your styles but in same time i enjoyed both A LOT ,,, i'm not telling that because we're friends, but it's the truth.
each one of you has her own style and i enjoy each separately,,, i mean with same degree but with different ways, if you know what i mean,
it's like when you read for Lamartine, Victor Hugo, and Alain Fournier,, it's not like one of them is better than the other,,, i love all of them and love their writings although each one has his very own style, very different from the others and may be also they follow different literature schools -not sure- but i still love them to the same degree and i can't say which one i prefer...
hope i could explain my point of view..

Oh no, I completely agree with you, that's why I asked not to say who was prefered. OK, I might have let my own insecurities shine through a bit between the brackets there but I enjoy my own writing and I enjoy TK's so I see no point in anyone telling us they like one or the other better. Especially because, even though I myself don't agree, if someone were to say they liked TK better, I would take it to heart and fret about it for days. That's just how my mind works.