Eric/Deamus
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 22, 2014 17:30:31 GMT -5
Teti Huh, did I say such a thing? That I don't like Maeve to be so powerful? *scratches head* Oh, I think I know what you mean. Some time back I mentioned that I have my issues with all powerful sorceresses/people because it creates a severe imblance. yup, *nodded* you mentioned that a very powerful Maeve isn't really the way you see her or imagine her so it's not your favorite picture of her. it was during a discussion within one of the reviews/replies on either your fiction or Firouz'. Haha, back then I became very anxious you won't like my story! but I convinced myself to just write it down and let the worries till the part I reached this part But I always knew you hate this imbalance! Since I first told you about Eric And I agree with you of course, but sometimes you can make your character very powerful -even if the most- and YET very weak -the weakest may be- at the same time... I don't mainly mean Maeve by this but it's generally, yet still we may see another side of her next chapter. I'm really glad it gives you that impression and you like it! but you see it's all a history.. the family was neutral, but obviously both Maeve and Dermott aren't now as they fight for the good side within Sinbad's crew... so, the story still has another un-revealed little side. question is... why did they unfollow the neutralism code? Oh, thanks for your support... I really trying my best to keep my word It seemed i have bad reputation in this regard!! but it's like all of sudden i feel the urgency to achieve something... to finish this part.. while my work doesn't give space for it.. i decided to used this little vacation to do something, hopefully.
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 22, 2014 19:19:32 GMT -5
mancheYeah, I try to either fill the holes left open in S2 or just find a justification for them.. also linking the 2 seasons is my goal. acting like Caipra character never exists in S2 is infuriating!! Of course she was one of the great characters in the show and deserves better than that in the show.. at least they had to mention her... just a brief mention would have been enough! another unlogical mistake from the S2 makers! For God sake Maeve character spent at least a full year on board of Nomad and very close to the crew... all the crew not only Sinbad! so if the latter intentionally didn't mention her under the reason that it hurts him........ then what about the three other members!!!! she was very close to all of them..... I mean, it's enough that Dermott still there with them and a normal person would remember her just by sighting the hawk! I couldn't adjust that fact so I thought it'd be logic that at least they do really remember her in their minds and hearts but kept it unspoken in fear of the captain reaction! so i intended to add this little part. No doubt that Doubar had a special friendship with her, actually each one of them.... I could see it clearly between her and Rongar during the show.. and Firouz? well, no need to guess it's very reasonable.... Doubar works perfectly with her when they teamed up.. add to that that internally i can guess she has a special place in the tubby heart for acknowledging his brother's feelings for her! oh yeah, that! something we really almost missed in S2! -well except for 'The Beast of Basra'- but it was so lovely in S1 I loved it and was determined to focus on it Glad you like it! Oh! I assure you if the pace of the story doesn't make you bored your curiosity probably will increase with every chapter actually, the cargo had nothing special in the plot line! i say that to not keeping your confusion. I have no idea why all readers get the cargo part seriously! i just mentioned it to show how the crew really having hard time financially so that Sinbad would accept such a long and hard delivery mission. and within all of that he would just throw everything over when it comes to the real trouble he'll face. nothing especial about this cargo, just to clarify few things, that's all! hope you're not disappointed but they will face in Basra and afterwards is really way too precious than this cargo. oh, hope you don't change your mind next chapter for the whole next chapter is within Sinbad mind! it's a long chapter, i know and may be even boring but it's very important for the plot line. very! As i said before i'm so honored by giving it a chance, thank you very much... I appreciate your review deeply and I hope you like the rest of it the same way when you'll come through it. thanks Manche
other replies coming tomorrow isA
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Post by Doubar on Aug 23, 2014 9:01:33 GMT -5
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Post by manche on Aug 23, 2014 15:34:30 GMT -5
Good idea with creating of connection between both seasons. I missed it during the whole second season; it looked as a different TV series sometimes. So many great characters forgotten, almost no reflection of previous events. I like your mention of events which happened in the past in the opening (The Village vanishes and The Ronin)
I totally agree with you in the topic of Maeve, i repeated it many times, but i can only repeat it again, i hate that it looked that none of the boys cared about her fate at all after the opening episode of season two. She has a good friendship with all of them and she would deserve something better than this. I like how you describe that she is still in their hearts and their mind. I try to create something similar in my story; I hope I will be successful in it.
The connection between brothers was shown in more episodes there (The Hell House), but I agree that it was more evident in the season one.
Oh, it was a catch with this cargo. I really thought that it will be important for the plot. But I was not the only one who was wrong at least.
I started to read the first chapter. I have read only the beginning so far, but this nightmare of Sinbad it is so impressively captured. Maybe if he met with his biggest fear again (as in the Trickster) maybe would be different this time. But the loss of his parents was horrible as well. One interesting question towards it, how old Doubar was when this tragedy happened? Was it mentioned in Conundrum? It seems to be a little strange that meeting with a butcher was the bigger nightmare for him than the memory of losing his beloved parents.
There is no reason to thank me for this, I am glad that I have a chance to read your story. It looks very interestingly and everything which I have read so far was great. You have a great feeling for these characters.
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Eric/Deamus
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 23, 2014 15:40:51 GMT -5
I just HAVE to say it here as well just how much I love the latest chapter of "Yarns of the Heart". It's so beautiful and full of friendship and family love. Ah, it makes me happy just thinking about it! Hah, and Doubar is a good cook in your world. That's awesome! I have a feeling that first mate of mine feels like re-considering his choice of author now, because I have been rather mean to him in that regard. OMG!!! I never had such review!!!! and never had I think you'd like it that way!!!! I'm beyond happy to see you love it. yeah... I knew this themes would be your favorite taste but again we're talking about Doubar... so it's about those same themes anyway, right? HAHAAHAA... yeah he's a good cook! in my opinion it's very logic that someone who adores food and considers eating as an art to master the cooking it'll be fair enough for him... i can't think about anyone else who would sense the food while cooking or tasting like him. it's an art for him right? oh, no not to that level... I believe he wouldn't ever think of an author but you.... you're the best and only sweet lovely Doubar always... that's for sure <3 <3 but it's really great that I could get your appreciation -as his original author and player- for my writing him. thanks so much i didn't expect i would meet that level you gave me
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 23, 2014 16:24:26 GMT -5
it looked as a different TV series sometimes. So many great characters forgotten, almost no reflection of previous events. Exactly .... that was my impression... it was like a new TV series but I kept watching due to my interest in characters and my love for the actors!! it's very shameful, and sad! another trial to link the 2 seasons though i was insecure about them, afraid that readers would get bored from mentioning things already known and not actually involved in the plot development, but i felt the need to do the link.... it's very relieving to see you like it you said it all, perfectly.. this special mistake makes me so angry from the S2 producers! but what can we change now? ooohh i'm dying to read your fic!!! till now i wasn't able to read any update from the fictions i already read nor any new fics!! in this vacation i'm having right now i try to focus on finishing this part of my fic so i can have a deep breath and say I MADE SOMETHING! just after that i will try to go through everything i missed! exactly, more obvious and spontaneous in S1... kinda natural that appear within events and episodes but in S2 they had to focus it in one or two episodes!!! and if it wasn't for Mala appearance and uncovering her identity at Hell House these special brotherly moments wouldn't see the light i believe. Haha, the cargo... may be it's my fault.. may be I loaded it more than it should have been.. though i still can't see it looks that important! perhaps it's because i see it from author' pov... reader's pov is more senstive and practical.. I'm sorry i caused your confusion. i will take this as a compliment Looking to it now...... let me say I guess that I agree with your suggestion! meeting with his biggest fear, that it is. but it's quite different from the one he met in The Trickster thought i believe it's time that Sinbad re-arrange his fears again... there is more than just the sea that he became afraid of, but he still didn't admit it... let's see, when you finish reading this chapter I'll be so glad to hear your thoughts about this point... will you agree with me in this thought or not. on the other side... i don't think Sinbad remember anything about his parents generally nor their death ... it never had been mentioned in the show, he even didn't recognize his mother.. so i doubt it'd be his nightmare... the only family he knew was Doubar i guess! actually i have no idea how old was he, or if it was mentioned or not! i don't remember frankly! but i believe he was old enough to realize what's going on and realize the loss of his parents... Hell House was a prove he still remember Mala very well even after all these years.. Also i agree with you in this...it's weird he feared more of the butcher than his parents loss!! but may be he saw the butcher's horrible and violent crimes and the murdered children which create his anger and great fear! still not sure it should surpass his parents loss!! i'm so glad for such compliments,,, and specially the last one... i really appreciate your words, such witness is GREAT for me.. for all i do the characters are my utmost interest... their feelings, thoughts and personages! so it's great you find it that way. thanks so much
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Post by manche on Aug 23, 2014 16:40:28 GMT -5
I think that I read somewhere here that his nightmare in The Trickster should have been a memory of the moment when he lost his parents. And in connection with Doubar, we cannot make any definite judgement about it when we do not know more about his meeting with Fortazza. Maybe his crimes were so cruel and violent that it overcame his fear about his parents. Or he was so angry and frustrated about the situation in The Trickster and his anger somehow recalled the memory of the guy whom he sincerely hated from the depth of his soul.
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Eric/Deamus
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 23, 2014 17:09:10 GMT -5
Aaaaandddd banmaixanh ... the sooooooo delayed reply: AWESOME... you find it that way is just awesome Something that drove me crazy!!! there was no explanation except to consider that it was the work of Scratch that he finished out of extreme hate and vengeance from Sinbad! but neglecting it in S2 and pretend like nothing happened is unforgivable! i'm glad you like my theory though it's a bit complicated than the simpler one i just mention upwards but i find it more logical actually another confusion i created within the story, however i admit i made it on purpose you see in some recent post i replied to our Firouz by the hints i gave within the chapters to define Maeve location and that she is no more in the realm. i will copy it to you, see, Maeve got out of the realm because there was no way they could rescue her while she was there...the spell and they started -M, DD & Ca- was not completed yet and neither of the two prisoners could leave, nor Sinbad crew could reach the realm either, how did Caipra and Dimdim got her out though? that mystery will be revealed later on... and as a hint, The Stranger is involved So the crew don't need to break inside the realm or search for it which will be definitly a great waste of time! Maeve is in Basra! All they have to do is to bring the cure only. and till then Firouz will help Caipra and her new apprentice to keep Maeve alive as long as they can.
nope, nope i don't one of the things i created that i love so much because i didn't expect it come out that way! agree with you, of course she has a role in the adventure, and she already did something, still doing and will do.. for now let's just say as Caipra apprentice she is helping in keeping the spell delay as much as they can.. supporting Maeve resistance to it. but afterwards, it will be revealed what had she did, and during the adventure itself she'll become very handful especially at the last battle. yayyyyyyy another thing i'm proud of achieving so happy it came out like that... thanks Awwwww.... yesssssss.... the great romance is about to be revealed wow! it's awesome you like it.. yup, they knew each other from long time before neither of them joined Nomad.. and yes, yes, YES it's more than just friendship... though it started as friendship at first aw, no worries there... there a complete part -a full fiction- specially for them about Bryn past and so... it's called 'Story of Us', i should start it a while after i finish R&R so if you like them.. wait for it, sure you'll like it Also, there is one chapter in ' Yarns of The Hearts' is about both of them.... the second chapter called ' Familiar Shadow'.. it's very sentimental and carries some of their moments Haha.. I'm sorry it scared you! I know you have a lovely deep imagination... and i think i was really mean to him in this chapter... i can't even imagine his physical health by repeating this nightmare every night!.. so mean, but if we take in our consideration Maeve injury and serious case.. so i'm excused, yeah? i'm sure he'll forgive me when he knows it was to urge him to save his Celtic dream No, i don't think you missed something, you caught it all, i guess even if i'm very delayed in my reply but thank you.... and more thank you for such amazing review and giving me your insights is so awesome.. thank you for your time sweetheart
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 23, 2014 17:18:46 GMT -5
And Ban, here are the hints I marked to Firouz a while ago (Jan 7, 2014)
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 23, 2014 17:25:49 GMT -5
mancheAbout Doubar first... that's exactly what i meant... the cruelty of his crimes might had surpassed Doubar fear from his parents loss. but still i agree with you we can't give full judgment when we know nothing about the whole story of him and the butcher. on the other hand, i may say it's the first time i know about Sinbad fear in The Trickster should have been his parents!! that's a surprise for me.. you mean they wanted to make it that way but changed it into fear from the sea itself? oh that would be interesting! let's ask the guys about this point.. did Ed Naha revealed it in some interview? i'm now very curious.
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 23, 2014 17:47:18 GMT -5
@firouz,thanks, thanks my lady Yup, she should be the heiress.. but it seemed that for some reason till this moments she didn't came into inheritance! both of the siblings can be the new founders of a new dynasty of Vordiaks, that's true but that if they already want to rebuild the family! Wow, now that you mention it, i notice these similarities! I mean of course i had her in my mind while thinking of them but actually i didn't use her character to do it!!! may be i was unconsciously affected by her.. Now let's say what I told TiaKisu before, i complained to her that some of my ideas are not pure, that i'm inspired from other things... and she calm me down back then saying it's normal... So here the Vordiaks idea wasn't completely pure. i was inspired by the general idea but as you said i build it up more and develop it more and create their history and the codes thing to fit my fic.. the family that inspired me was a way too powerful family of assassins/hunters, if one their member enters in the picture so be sure it's over no matter who is the enemy. they were naturally unsociable because of the nature of their job.. they were very dangerous and everyone is scared of them. they also work for money... good or evil side doesn't matter, whoever pays them well gets their service. so i changed them to be a family of mages... to be neutral... the place they are living.. their elements and the most important their codes and the leader part altogether with the heir/egg/magical creature.. all of these were added.... in the end i was surprised that they fit Maeve character as you said! but it's true, they do! and related to the subject... the egg/magical creature especially the dragon.... doesn't it remind you of something too?
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 23, 2014 18:30:50 GMT -5
Doubar, aye.. they are! sadly they are the last survivors! however for some reason i can't see Maeve as a ruler no matter what! she may have the ability to lead, the character or charizma of a leader but she is not a leader.... things will be clearer later, i guess. they can rebuild it again if they want to... it all depends on their intentions and desires obviously if they rebuild the family i highly think it'll influence both rule and codes... you said it already, the family WAS neutral... when it exists... but something happened and caused the twins who are the only survivors join the good side and neglect the codes... who would judge them? nobody is alive to do it. and even so.. Maeve as a heiress would be a leader... the leader is the only one who can take actions and give orders without anyone judging them! if the leader joins the good side so be it.. but it will creates rebellion and some members joining the other side and so... still the leader had authority to take such decision, but it'll be his responsibility to regain balance and peace to the family which is so hard in this case, looking at Maeve now and her brother.. if they choose one side over the other.. where are the members that they fear from their rebellion? no one left but only them. so i think it's safe for them to do it. but the real question here what made them turn out of neutralism and join the good side? for Maeve... it's obvious, right? her brother was a victim of a black magic and cursed... she wants him back, her only remained family.. she wants revenge too... it's normal to get out of the shell and join the good side bluntly... but what about Dermott himself? it started before him being cursed or he wouldn't even been cursed from the beginning.. so why did he go against the dark side? knowing -extra info - that he followed the codes more than his sister for some reasons. no, she isn't! there is no one who forbid her anymore... moreover she already chose and joined a side... her insecurity has nothing to do with the neutralism... Maeve is 100% in the good side... not neutral as her family... hahaa i love the impression this chapter left on you yes, actually i do believe she is full aware of everything don't underestimate her.. it's not about the knowledge though but by the intention and desire as i said if you voice it that way it sounds tricky, but again i wasn't that mean.. you know.. Maeve is in Basra... (check the hints post upwards) she is already out of the realm... so half of the task done.... i've a kind heart, you see.. the remained is only to find the egg... simple task! and i can't agree with you more... a dragon, that is. you got it right... she is the first female from royalty bloodline to take inheritance. which would have create some troubles if you ask me if the family survived... i can well imagine some members -especially those who have tendency to the dark side- refuse to be ruled by a woman... for once, it's good the family was gone.. for her sake! if not.. war was coming no matter what... i'm more glad that you like it that way... it's my honor and yeahhhhhhhh i'm happy too to be back even if for a while! just hope my updates meets the fans' taste.
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Post by Doubar on Aug 24, 2014 4:34:12 GMT -5
Oh, I love the discussion you two have going on here. If you will allow me to, I shall add my two cents on this as well. Concerning Sinbad's fear of drowning: actually, to me it made a whole lot of sense. Not at first sight (because it seemed so odd that a captain would be scared of drowning) but when you have a closer look at it: it seems perfectly logical! Because he did almost drown twice (or, depending on whether you consider Naha's outline for S3 and the plans that Sinbad and Bryn had actually died and were resurrected because they were important to the world) - first during the storm that took his parent's life, and then when he went missing for two years. That first time he sure doesn't actively remember but Scratch was pulling him down, trying to lure Doubar into giving his little brother up. That's enough of a trauma to cause a child to be scared of water for life, even when there's no actualy memory of the event. Also, mostly when Sinbad lost people, it has always been the sea who took them away from him: his parents, Lee, in a sense even Doubar because that storm seperated them for two years. He doesn't know it yet, but he will also lose Maeve to the waters so to me that fear made perfect sense. Now, as for Doubar: it might seem strange indeed but actually I never questioned it. Because I think more than fear it's grief that he feels. I think, soft and emotional as he can be on the inside, he's also a very practical man. He had to grow up real quickly when he lost his parents and he had to deal with the loss. DimDim sure helped him with this and in the end I always imagine he learned to accept what happened. Of course there is still the scar though and it says a lot about him that obviously he never talked about their parents much, didn't even show his little brother the picture of Mala. Obviously Doubar is still hurting and missing his mother but it's not that connected to emotions like fear or anger. It's longing and grief - and both were of no use to the Trickster. Instead, there is this memory of Fortazza - a man who slaughtered women and children. A man who did to others what had been done to him (losing his parents) but it's not circumstance or the will of nature that causes pain and loss but the insanity and/or cruelty of a man. I have no troubles at all picturing just how much Doubar must have hated that man and what it must have caused him to see women and children slain. We all know he adores children and loves women in a very positive way - it must have been an utter nightmare to him to see the victims, especially since we were given no clue as to what shape they were in when found. *shudders* Soooo, that's my view on the case. Finally, as for Doubar's age when the parents died: this has never been clarified. Definitely not in the show and, according to my knowledge, not by Naha either. In my world, and here on DL, I decided - together with the others - that we assume Doubar was about nine years old when that happened. I tried to base this on what little we were given in the show, which unfortunately is a bit contradictional. George (if wikipedia has his birthday correct) is 21 years older than Zen but when Sinbad remembered Lee is looks almost like the brothers were barely 5 or 6 years apart in their age. Eventually I settled on something in between and made the age gap be about ten years. ---- Teti: No? Well, then it was about time you got one like this! You're a talented author and your works very creative and enjoyable. Plus, you manage to capture voices well so - yeah, 't was about time. Why not? It's about Doubar and how much he is loved. Can there be anything better? Right. Haahahaha, I still entertain the thought of him not being able to cook. And technically he only said that eating was an art, if I remember right that is, and that thus he was an artist. Doesn't mean he can cook, too. No, seriously, it does make a whole lot of sense to assume that he is a good cook. I guess in the end I am really just taking the freedom and adding a bit of myself to that first mate because I for one am a lousy cook. xD We'll talk about this again next time I have him be clumsy about making dinner. (Awwwwwww, thanks for those sweet words, honey!!! <3 <3 ) Aw, you're welcome. *hugs* But really, it is I who has to thank you for such a precious present. P.S.: Will try and reply to your review-replies soon.
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Post by Eric/Deamus on Aug 24, 2014 11:40:03 GMT -5
Replies coming...
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Post by manche on Aug 24, 2014 12:43:59 GMT -5
A good opinion, Doubar. I agree with you in the topic of Sinbad completely. Sea is the element which can bring dangerous situations, we can not predict its whims and it is reasonable that he has respect towards it. A lot of bad things which happened to him had a certain connection with sea, he lost a lot of beloved people because of sea as well (the loss of one of them became the reason why he became a sailor), it is probable that he lost some men under his command as well. I guess that he fears the nature of this phenomenon, that he does not have any control above it and it makes perfect sense, really.
And your opinion about Doubar sounds also well. He loved his parents, but he could not do anything for their rescue, on the other hand, he evidently had the power to stop killing of Fortazza. And his crimes were really cruel and were targeted at vulnerable children and women. Maybe Fortazza could have been someone as an ancient Jack Ripper?
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