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Post by Doubar on Jan 19, 2012 15:41:55 GMT -5
but really, Borgias has nothing to do with Tudors, which I tought was a serie that only kept the historical background so it would not only be an erotic serie  Borgias is darker, it is twisted, it's about power, vengence and betrayal, while Tudors was mainly about ... I don't know, getting from one wife to another ? But trying to settle it in a chronology ?) Aye, that's just what annoyed me a great deal about Tudors.  And the few Borgia eps that I had watched seemed to be the same to me, but maybe I just happened to stumble across the wrong ones? >_> Because the few I saw seemed to contain of 50% story and 50% erotic. That's why I mentioned it.  However. I reckon Borgias did go another way then, which is really good.  |
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Post by Fireland on Jan 19, 2012 16:22:49 GMT -5
You are right, there are some explicit scenes. And even marital rape scenes which I admit are disturbing, when 14 year-old Lucrezia was married to a cousin who despised all Borgias. But the plot (no spoiler intended) turns around how this young innocent (and really naive) lady takes power over her husband, plotting wittily against him to torture him and humiliate him, as a revenge. The whole show is about how the characters of this family have to evolve by being manipulative and tricky in order to survive. And how they cope with contradictory feelings (sense of duty vs how they really feel and what they really want). I don't mind the violence and abuse in Borgias that much, because the serie really is about ''how to become pope, AKA the most powerful man of the time, 101''. It's war, at a small scale. But it's really darker than Tudors and explores themes that are taboo (ex.: brother and sister Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia, it's not clear wether they're just close or if they actually have incestuous feelings for each other ; the show deals with many, many innuendos of all sorts, which wasn't the case with Tudors).
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Post by Kahlan on Jan 19, 2012 17:50:39 GMT -5
@doubar: Thanks for bringing all those details, dear. And you're right, there's a lot of coincidences with our Aos. However, I mus agree with my partner, saying that we should not compare both series... AoS is unique after all!  Besides, this new tv show is produced by the ones who created Primeval, the tv show that I love so...I might like it.  I'm just a little jealous and sad to see a new Sinbad...and no Maeve...no Doubar......  PS: that's because Evanna Lynch is goign to play on this show that I learned about it. ;D Fireland: well, you know, Henri VIII's story/life was mainly about getting from one wife to another, so the show was pretty close to the historical background! ;D *lol* I really like Tudors but I watched the first episodes of Borgias and I didn't like it... oh and I don't think Sinbad 2012 (shall we call it like that?) will be too erotic...because in the article I posted (or maybe on another one) they say that he's going to be a family show... |
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Post by Fireland on Jan 19, 2012 18:05:11 GMT -5
@ Kahlan : *lol* I know. But when I first started watching the Tudors, I was expecting to know more about the catholic/protestant conflict, which is inseparable from the wives thing. So I felt disappointed to see it fading in the background. It interested me more than knowing how the next wife was going to die.
But I do study in history / religious sciences after all. I guess that's why I was drawned to Borgias and absolutely loved it (and it should be my birthday present too, thanks mom and dad ;D )
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Post by Guest on Jan 20, 2012 10:04:58 GMT -5
I really hope they don't make the show too explicit but at the same time I want it to have adult themes. AoS is a family show, which I love honestly, but I would like to see a different interpretation of the Sinbad legends with an adult flavour, but that doesn't cater to the fan service of men (ie. female nudity every two seconds). You are right, there are some explicit scenes. And even marital rape scenes which I admit are disturbing, when 14 year-old Lucrezia was married to a cousin who despised all Borgias. But the plot (no spoiler intended) turns around how this young innocent (and really naive) lady takes power over her husband, plotting wittily against him to torture him and humiliate him, as a revenge. The whole show is about how the characters of this family have to evolve by being manipulative and tricky in order to survive. And how they cope with contradictory feelings (sense of duty vs how they really feel and what they really want). I don't mind the violence and abuse in Borgias that much, because the serie really is about ''how to become pope, AKA the most powerful man of the time, 101''. It's war, at a small scale. But it's really darker than Tudors and explores themes that are taboo (ex.: brother and sister Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia, it's not clear wether they're just close or if they actually have incestuous feelings for each other ; the show deals with many, many innuendos of all sorts, which wasn't the case with Tudors). Agreed. I love the Borgias as well. Where the Tudors is about politics, alliances and women, the Borgias is more about scheming, betrayals and manipulation. To me it kind of leaves the Tudors in the dust. It's like a guilty pleasure that shows people for what they are with no abandon. After Anne Boleyn died, the Tudors became less entertaining for me. Lucrezia, how i love Lucrezia!  It's nice to have a woman on the show who I can get attached to with without fear of her dying so the show could be historically accurate. I love seeing a woman operating in a man's world. Her husband got everything he deserved. Especially with how he was humiliated by Lucrezia and Rodrigo in front of the papals. That was gold. My mum watched an episode and she thought Lucrezia and Cesare were lovers. I told her they were related. It was quite hilarious. And it's kind of cool to see Serendib again. Sancha is so different from Serendib. Emmanuelle is a great actress. And the dresses are gorgeous!  |
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Post by banmaixanh on Jan 20, 2012 11:34:52 GMT -5
Aha, but your Sinbad and Maeve are great. Different to be sure but still... well chosen. @ban: The two actors look very handsome They are the most famous actors in Vietnamese action films. When I read the question "if Vietnam re-made AOS one day, who you would choose to play Maeve and Sinbad?" I burst into laugh and thought that they couldn't find the suitable actors. But then a member of the forum suggested that the both could take that role, I could only agree. However, I'm not a big fan of remakes. I, too, don't like the remade things, but also I don't feel bad. I don't feel much annoy when the show I love is remade. I also can watch the new show and don't compare it with the old one but only if the director can make it good. Each director has his own way to tell the audiences the story, and if he respects the soul of the original story, it's nothing too bad when the show is remade. However, I must admit there are a lot of remade shows in which the directors try to break through the success of the old versions, and they make the new show become too much different with the versions before, and sometime too much different with the original story, and it makes the show become stupid and schlock. "The journey to the west" is the clearest example for that thing. The fans of that show always get angry with the new versions because the directors made their versions become too much different and have no respect with the soul of the original story. In 2011, the newest version of "the journey to the west" was broadcasted and again, the fans of the 1986 version got angry with it even it was made by the famous directors of Hollywood. I've never watched those versions. I cannot accept them. I only watch the 1986 version, and I don't feel bad when the other versions also exist because the existing of the new versions don't make fans forgot the first version but make them love it more. The re-making of the show only say that the show is still loved by people, still very famous. I really don't feel bad if AOS were remade one day because it shows me the immortality of AOS. If no one want to remake that sad story, it means AOS will die soon. You know 16 years already passed, if the show isn't remade, it could be forgotten, and I don't want it happens. I won't forget AOS. I make sure I don't, but the story deserves to be loved and remembered by the new generation. The existing of the new version of AOS won't make our AOS be forgotten. It just makes the story live much longer. Even if we didn't accept it, it would have its own fans, and the story wouldn't die. I had watched a version of the story named "Luong Son Ba - Chuc Anh Dai" long time ago but my friend hadn't. I really liked the story, but she didn't because she didn't know the show. But then, there was another version of the story was broadcasted on TV, which I didn't watch (because it wasn't as good as the version I had watched) but my friend did, and she loved the story as much as I did. We watched and love two different shows but love the same love story of Luong Son Ba and Chuc Anh Dai. That's why I wish AOS were remade. The story would be loved by other people, and it's the most important not that I want to watch it or not. |
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Post by Fireland on Jan 20, 2012 17:49:55 GMT -5
@ Anthea : did your mom watch this scene ? One wouldn't know *chuckles*. I really love the dynamic between the two. So beautiful yet soooooo wrong at the same time.  And you're right, Emmanuelle Chriqui is very talented. And with Sancha, quite the opposite from Little Miss Magic Actually, I think I learned about Borgias through this forum. Someone wrote about Emmanuelle in a new serie. @ Ban : I understand what you mean. But I guess it's most series' fate to eventually be ''forgotten'' as time passes. But when I see how old series become popular decades from when they were on air (through special channels like Silver Classics or others with the same ''oldies'' orientation) I think we will always cherish the pleasure to watch AoS years from now. Not to mention DVDs of course. I bought them last year, I've waited about 15 years to get them, and it was like Christmas when I bought them ;D I even got jealous friends over Facebook and some made me promise they could borrow the DVDs. It's how I keep my favorite series alive ; I keep the DVDs and watch them from time to time, even if it's the 10th time I see an episode, I never get tired of it. |
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Post by Guest on Jan 20, 2012 18:47:06 GMT -5
@ Anthea : did your mom watch this scene ? One wouldn't know *chuckles*. I really love the dynamic between the two. So beautiful yet soooooo wrong at the same time. And you're right, Emmanuelle Chriqui is very talented. And with Sancha, quite the opposite from Little Miss Magic Actually, I think I learned about Borgias through this forum. Someone wrote about Emmanuelle in a new serie. That would be it . That scene was so cute. I'm so guilty of shipping Lucrezia and Cesare. I thought it was bizarre at first, then I realised I'm not the only one. There are over a thousand videos for them on Youtube, so that makes me feel a lot less creepy I blame the show. I mean look at the season 2 promo poster! The show is promoting these two in my face! They're so pretty....  And that Emmanuelle post? *raises hand* I think I might have posted that. I saw a featurette on her and recall posting something like that a while ago. |
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Post by Fireland on Jan 20, 2012 21:02:37 GMT -5
I can't wait till season 2 ! I think the masks and ''masquerade'' is really representative of the characters we see in this picture. Sancha's missing The honeymoon scene was really hilarious. |
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Post by Fireland on Jan 20, 2012 21:06:46 GMT -5
Hmm makes me think about this AoS fanfiction idea I had that took place during a Venetian Masquerade ball. Little anachronism for fun. I didn't get the chance to write it down, though. Maybe later when I have more free time.
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Post by Sinbad on Jan 21, 2012 3:22:30 GMT -5
And it's kind of cool to see Serendib again. Sancha is so different from Serendib. Emmanuelle is a great actress. And the dresses are gorgeous! This is Serendib? Whoa  I really enjoyed that TV show, too. It didn´t get the best of ratings here when it was on a few weeks back but I found it very entertaining and a show that has Jeremy Irons in it is of course always a plus. *nods* |
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Post by Sinbad on Jan 21, 2012 3:25:03 GMT -5
On the new SInbad show. Hm...does look like there are some parallels. On the other hand, it wouldn´t bother me too much if they make a new show. Because there are some stories that have been retold many times. Someone mentioned Robin Hood, but there are others too. We´ll just stick to our nice little 90s show. |
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Post by Khei on Jan 21, 2012 11:22:04 GMT -5
Agreed. Remakes of any story aren't BAD.. Not always anyway.
I only have issues with blatant copying and claiming as original.. *cough* Disney *cough* XP
But yeah different versions allow a story to reach a wider audience and a new Sinbad series can and probably will give our fav series a little exposure too. Anyone who types the title into a search engine is likely to happen onto the 90s AoS.
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Post by Fireland on Jan 21, 2012 15:01:42 GMT -5
Different stories yes. Different interpretations, yes. What I meant by remakes was to take one story and simply ''redo it'', 20 years later, with a different cast. Some characters are classical, we simply can't expect a unique version of their story (and ''Sinbad'', not from AoS, but from the litterature itself, is one of them). But I wouldn't like them to redo the serie just like AoS, with the same characters (Sinbad, Doubar, Rongar ...) especially if those characters aren't part of litterature, but part of Ed Naha's interpretation of Sinbad. A good parallel would be King Arthur, Camelot, etc. How many stories / series are based on this legend ? But it doesn't mean each new serie is based on the precedent one. There's even a French serie called Kaamelott which is a parody of the legend and uses sometimes absurd humor with a historical twist that is simply hilarious. That's an original way to explore a story that's been told so many times |
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Post by Dermott on Jan 23, 2012 12:34:27 GMT -5
I didn’t know about Sinbad-2012 (nice name btw ), and at first I was quite perplexed, but the more I read all your thoughts the more I get excited. I wonder why it took somebody 15 years to use this theme again. I’m sure it will bring a lot of new ideas into the imaginative world related to this character. I've just checked the their fb page. And the first trailer is up. Looks like it will be airing this summer (I hoped earlier) and it will end up with a cliffanger (so we can already be prepared to have a season 2). www.facebook.com/pages/Sinbad-2012/13822520292006. A random picture. I love it. The sky is so bright. And the sea is so blue. Just like in AOS season 1. I bet this show will have a lot of attention in photography. |
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Borgias is darker, it is twisted, it's about power, vengence and betrayal, while Tudors was mainly about ... I don't know, getting from one wife to another ? But trying to settle it in a chronology ?)
And the few Borgia eps that I had watched seemed to be the same to me, but maybe I just happened to stumble across the wrong ones? >_> Because the few I saw seemed to contain of 50% story and 50% erotic. That's why I mentioned it. 
However. I reckon Borgias did go another way then, which is really good. 
It's nice to have a woman on the show who I can get attached to with without fear of her dying so the show could be historically accurate. I love seeing a woman operating in a man's world. Her husband got everything he deserved. Especially with how he was humiliated by Lucrezia and Rodrigo in front of the papals. That was gold.
