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Post by manche on Apr 19, 2013 15:19:24 GMT -5
The most important thing that this line line was still translated in a funny way, does not it?
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Post by Doubar on Apr 29, 2013 15:25:37 GMT -5
Aye, it definitely was.  Though we've gotten word of even heavier changes in translation. For example, the final line from The Sacrifice "Till we meet again, Maeve" in some countries was obviously translated as "I will find you, Maeve". It's quite a huge difference in meaning there, so yeah, sometimes the dubbings are rather interesting. |
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Post by manche on May 29, 2013 9:59:29 GMT -5
I, too, never understood though how the guys ended up with their backs to the net. On the other hand, it would have been pretty impersonal to only see their behinds during the scene. >.> ... XD I understand this in the case of Doubar, but in the case of Sinbad... Maybe he managed it as he tried to climb out of the spider web before their arrival. When Firouz warned him of this danger, he said something:" Now you tell me this?" But the crew appeared before him, not behind him, so this theory is not valid. And I agree with Doubar, it was probably the intention of the director. |
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Post by Doubar on May 29, 2013 17:41:17 GMT -5
Hehe, yeah, it's not exactly logical, isn't it? xD But yeah, maybe it was the director's intention indeed. |
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Post by Firouz on Jun 7, 2013 17:30:09 GMT -5
It truly is interesting how different countries translate based off their various cultural differences.
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Post by maeve3000 on Jul 24, 2013 2:03:38 GMT -5
I love that episode only because the Hitmen is in it  |
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Post by manche on Jul 24, 2013 13:14:06 GMT -5
And I love the moment when Sinbad protected Maeve before the demon his own body. It was so nice.
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Post by maeve3000 on Jul 24, 2013 13:17:59 GMT -5
ohh I love the
"where had you been?"
and
"can you just for once..."
hehe I like these lil fight *g* ;D
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Post by tzigone on Mar 21, 2015 20:35:20 GMT -5
The opening seems a bit contrived to get the message to Sinbad and the others - seems like Dermott could just project the message into Sinbad's head (like he does in the very next episode). Sinbad's magic-credentials have already been established in "Little Miss Magic." But I still really enjoy Eyolf moving the kid out of the way over and over. Sometimes I think it should bug me how the others treat Doubar's eating/belly, but since he's good with it, I'm good with it. I like when how the crew leave they're commenting on how Maeve's going to be causing trouble for her abductors. They aren't freaked-out-worried at this point or anything. Concerned, and acting on in, and in a hurry, but in good spirits. It is strange how she gets all friendly with the one of the guys who kidnapped her was going to turn her over to either death or slavery. Maybe it's her, and not Jial who has Stockholm syndrome.  Seriously, though, the entire crew was remarkably friendly and helpful to the kidnappers who took one of their own, who were willing to sacrifice an innocent for their own benefit. To me, Maeve seems unfamiliar with Norsemen, so I'm putting her leaving Ireland before 795 (really, Viking raids picked up a little later, but that is generally considered the beginning of the Viking Age in Ireland. In other eps, Doubar seems the one more familiar with the west, but in this case it's Firouz who's familiar with Norsemen. I don't really think that means anything, just noting it. By this point, Sinbad definitely speaks to Dermott as someone he expects to understand him. Some of what he says here could be the flippant, talking-to-an-animal-but-really-talking-self stuff, but not all of it. Particularly when he tells Dermott to help him search for his men. Which Dermott apparently didn't do, since he's nowhere around when Sinbad is cutting loose. Guess he decided they were hopeless and he'd go check up on sister instead. Maeve's float-y spell doesn't seem very effectual for battle to me; it takes way too long, giving the other person time to react (not that Eyolf did). I gotta call it one of the weaker works of magic in the show; it's not visually impressive, it's not humorous, and it's not effective. Firouz and Doubar totally know how Sinbad feels about Maeve. But we knew that ages ago. I liked Doubar's speaking for his own self bit, too, about how they better not have hurt her. Maeve seems to have very little respect for the Norsemen's attitudes toward Thor, for their faith or belief. But since it's all just justification for what they're doing to her, she has a point. Thor didn't personally tell them these things, either (I thought?); it's just what they have to believe to deflect that they decided to meet the demands of a tyrant. So I'm not sure if that attitude of Maeve's can be extrapolated to all religion. Certainly, she didn't act like that towards Poseidon, but then that's a god, not religion. Now Rongar will laugh at Sinbad about his jealousy over Maeve. He didn't do that back in "Still Life." I don't know why Maeve and Sinbad act that way sometimes. Even to each other. Certainly, I think each is well-aware of their own feelings and not in denial. But to everyone else...deny, deny, deny. |
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Post by manche on Mar 22, 2015 8:32:48 GMT -5
I do not know, but as you mentioned this episode where Sinbad saw Doubar in danger via Dermott he was still very close to him at this moment, maybe this magic does not work at longer distances. And I think that Sinbad did not have any magical abilities, that the real power was in these stones he only threw them at Rumina there. I think that if someone else from our guys got to these stones in Little Miss Magic that he would be able to use them in the same way as well.
I can understand why Vikings decided to kidnap Maeve. It was their chance to save their lives and return to their home and they did not care about the fact that someone else must be sacrificed instead of them; it was an unknown person for them. It is selfish, undoubtedly, but people care about themselves and their nearest at the first place. So I do not consider these Vikings to be bad people, not even their leader. The Maeve's friendship with Eyolf is a different question. She was sensing during the way that he is different from the others and maybe she believed that she will persuade him to release her, so she tried to gain his trust. She was also probably able to sense that they are not bad people in heart. I agree that was strange how all crew behaved friendly to Vikings in the end. Yes, they were in the desperate situation and they acted unwillingly according the demon's instructions, but still. The crew would find another way how to resolve this situation if it was their ship which would be taken by the demon.
I agree that this spell of Maeve was not useful very much.
I think that Dermott started to be appreciated as a member of the crew more after the initial episodes. At least Sinbad knew that it is not only a simple bird at this time.
I talked about it in the topic for Still Life but I think that Rongar did not have any problem to join to Doubar and Firouz in their teasing of Sinbad because of his feelings for Maeve after his bigger integration into the crew.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 23, 2015 6:18:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Dermott was physically closer in one case than the other, but even if he was, from a writing perspective he still came to Sinbad (the crew) in both cases and it would have been completely possible for him to be 2 feet away from Sinbad instead of 6 feet away. However, I had something of an epiphany since my original comments and realized the obvious - the purpose of the boy within the narrative wasn't to pass along the message, but to show Eyolf being "good" by not harming him.
Well, certainly that's what Rumina thought. And I don't really like the idea of Sinbad having magic, myself. But I don't really agree that it was just the stones. From a writing perspective, Firouz's line about only magical people being able to use magical tools would not have been included if they didn't want the audience to at least suspect that Sinbad had magical abilities; especially given things like us seeing Genghis Khan's sword being wielded by someone with (as far as I recall) no other obvious magical abilities, so the audience would not have been thinking in those terms. I then couple that with Sinbad being able to communicate with Dermott. Within the first season, at least, we only see Dermott communicate mentally with magical people (Caipra and Maeve). In the second season, there's Bryn (haven't watched in long time; can't remember if there are others). And, though Dermott is certainly not a normal animal, we've also seen that magical people communicate with animals - Maeve and Vincenzo. So I think it is, at the very least,heavily implied that Sinbad acquired at least some of "the gift" when he acquired his bracelet.
I'm more judgmental than you. Killing innocents to save yourself will make me consider you a bad person. You kill someone for their organs because you'd die without them, then you're bad. Plus, it wasn't even to save their lives, but to leave the populated island where they could have survived. They weren't on short-time, and could have tried to figure out another plan.
I think all of them think of him as crew pretty quickly (initially perceiving him as Maeve's pet/familiar). Actually, what I'm trying to do here is track when Sinbad changes from seemingly just thinking of him as smart bird to thinking of him as more to (IMO) thinking of him as human by season's end. I want to timeline that out, and that's why I comment on Sinbad's perception here. And do any of them ever really think about their shifting perception? I don't think the others view Dermott the way Sinbad does, but he's gotten more hints of Demott's true nature.
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Post by manche on Mar 23, 2015 12:08:55 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that these Vikings should try to find another solution, especially when they were such honorable warriors how was mentioned there. And I never thought about it from this angle but it is true they could survive on this island without troubles and it was about their return at home. Still although I do not agree with what they did, I can understand why they were willing to sacrifice the life of an unknown person for this return although it was selfish and cruel.
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Post by manche on Nov 7, 2015 9:24:24 GMT -5
Wait a second! I am sensing a conspiracy! Sinbad was very bored one day when it turned out weekly adventures don't actually happen every week. So he decided to have an adventure and endear himself to Maeve in one go: he paid a theatretroupe to "kidnap" Maeve dressed as Norsemen and to have some good special effects for him to rescue her from. Maeve overheard this deal and gamely played along. It is nice sometimes, to be rescued like the lady that you are. Or maybe I am overthinking it again. One or the other Oh, I love this small theory of yours. And what the rest of boys, were or were not aware of the fact that it was only a performance? |
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Though we've gotten word of even heavier changes in translation. For example, the final line from The Sacrifice "Till we meet again, Maeve" in some countries was obviously translated as "I will find you, Maeve". It's quite a huge difference in meaning there, so yeah, sometimes the dubbings are rather interesting. 
Seriously, though, the entire crew was remarkably friendly and helpful to the kidnappers who took one of their own, who were willing to sacrifice an innocent for their own benefit.