thoughts about fics we read

[Maeve]

Thanks for the links! Will read them right away!

[firouz]

Anything for you.

[Rongar]

The story the Hardest Thing was a horrible story! It made me cry so MUCH!!! It was well written, but it made me feel horrible because it was sssssooo sad!

[firouz]

I warned you it may break you heart. "There are no happy endings."

[Sinbad]

Hm… I´ve just read it, too, but I didn´t really like it. It didn´t have anything to do with the ending or anything and I really liked the writing style, because it was beautifully written. Only, the beginning wasn´t logical to me and that kind of took away credibility, me thinketh.

[Doubar]

*sighs* Got the feeling I'm the only one who hasn't read it so far.

[Rongar]

Honestly, I didn't read it from the link.

I read it years ago and I remember nothing but crying and blaming Turok and Sinbad for everything that happened.

[firouz]

WARNING: SPOILER. DOUBAR AND ANY BODY ELSE WHO HAS NOT READ "THE HARDEST THING" AND WANTS TO READ IT, DO NOT READ THIS POST.

Well, I think it is a great story and logical. Sinbad did not want to hurt Bryn, and over the years, he could not keep denying Bryn. Their is no definate answer that Maeve would come back. Sometimes you have to make such decisions. It is hard, but life is cruel.

And if he already declared his love for Bryn, then to tell her he still loves Maeve once Maeve came back would break her heart. It is a painful truth, but it does happen.

"There are no happy endings."

[Doubar]

@firouz: Well, might be due to that I am only reading chapter 2 now but I don't see any logic in it.
[glow=red,2,300]Spoiler warning!!!![/glow]
Of course he does not wish to hurt Bryn but with his actions he does just the more. The whole first chapter tells us how much he really loves Maeve and when Bryn comes to kiss him he cannot respond. He betrays her there. It is not logical to tell yourself you have to stop loving the one true love of your life only because you told another you did love them - not when you keenly are aware that the latter is nothing but a deep friendship. Maybe I'm a bit strange there but if I knew for sure I didn't love someone I would tell them. He's being cruel when not telling Bryn the truth. And I can't see any logic in his actions till now.
But of course ... just like I said: I'm only at ch2 - so maybe his reasons will be revealed later on and I might change my point of view. Only wanted to give you a short feedback on what you wrote.

[firouz]

Well, I think if you were a man, you would feel differently. For men, or for me, it is not easy to express himself. Men are not that expressive. And for me, I think a lot about what I should do next, and what are the predicted outcomes. Telling a person you don't love them after they gave everything to you hurts. I try to avoid that.

And as I said, Maeve was gone for a long time, and there was no garentee that she would come back. Men typically don't wait. If there is an opportunity, they take it. Bryn was Sinbad's opportunity. He decided to take it.

But for me, I have been waiting and will continue waiting. Maybe I will never commit to someone, and that is fine with me, because she will always be with me. (Oh, and thank you Doubar. You're story has helped me out of my deepest and darkest depressions.)

[Doubar]

Jun 29, 2009 14:16:07 GMT -5 @firouz said:

Well, I think if you were a man, you would feel differently. For men, or for me, it is not easy to express himself. Men are not that expressive. And for me, I think a lot about what I should do next, and what are the predicted outcomes. Telling a person you don't love them after they gave everything to you hurts. I try to avoid that.

I can see your point my friend. But thing is, you are betraying them. You are with lying to them. And don't get me wrong - I know that it's just human to lie. I myself do sometimes. But never should one lie when it comes to love and when you really know you don't love someone then you simply cannot pretend you do, because if you do you are betraying both of you.

And as I said, Maeve was gone for a long time, and there was no garentee that she would come back. Men typically don't wait. If there is an opportunity, they take it. Bryn was Sinbad's opportunity. He decided to take it.

Aye. And I wouldn't have any objections would Sinbad really love Bryn. But the whole fic made it clear: he doesn't. And that's the point. Maybe you can live with someone, pretending to love them, when there's no other in your life - but you certainly can't when your whole heart and soul are crying for another who is waiting for you to join them.

But for me, I have been waiting and will continue waiting. Maybe I will never commit to someone, and that is fine with me, because she will always be with me.

*doesn't know what to say but feels sorry for you *

(Oh, and thank you Doubar. You're story has helped me out of my deepest and darkest depressions.)

It ... did? Wow, that's ... more than I had ever thought to accomplish with it. And yet it's the best I could have ever wished for. I'm glad it meant so much to you. *smiles warmly* [btw: we are talking about "till we meet again", right?]

in general: Well, did something I know one never should: read the end without reading the whole stuff in the middle. x) But have to say that the end really is heartbraking - if not for the story itself then surely for the athmopshere that has been created. The words the crew used for their lost friends had been heart-warming and the scenery so sweet and melancholic.

[Sinbad]

SPOILER ALERT!!!

I´d agree with Doubar there. I can´t generalize on how men usually or stereotypically act in a situation like this but with the emphasis that the author puts on how much Maeve means to him (early in the story already which is the point, because if this realisation was a later process only, his reasoning in the beginning would make more sense), his actions seem off. Maybe it was also because the first chapter started kind of aruptly. As a reader, you don´t really get an intro into what sort of relationship is going on between Sinbad and Bryn. If the author had established that in more detail, SInbad´s reasoning might have been more logical, but like this it seems kind of arbitrary, like build up to find a reason for a later moral dilemma if you will. Like the reader had the end in mind before the beginning if you know what I mean. And like this, SInbad´s reasoning didn´t sound logical to me. To me it would have been more logical if he had been insecure about what to do instead of deciding right away in a way that made it difficult for me to follow his reasoning. Especially since later chapters are contradictory to that.

[firouz]

Jun 29, 2009 14:33:28 GMT -5 Doubar said:

Aye. And I wouldn't have any objections would Sinbad really love Bryn. But the whole fic made it clear: he doesn't. And that's the point. Maybe you can live with someone, pretending to love them, when there's no other in your life - but you certainly can't when your whole heart and soul are crying for another who is waiting for you to join them.

Put it this way, in the movie Cast Away, what should Helen Hunt's character have done when Tom Hank's character gone missing. She still loved him, but there was no garentee that he was alive and would return. For Sinbad, there was no garentee that Maeve was alive or would return. Are you saying that Sinbad should live the rest of his life single?

*doesn't know what to say but feels sorry for you *

Why sorry? I am happier than ever.

btw: we are talking about "till we meet again

Yes. I will complete my mission. And now I have her to guide me.

[Sinbad]

Jun 29, 2009 14:57:28 GMT -5 @firouz said:

Jun 29, 2009 14:33:28 GMT -5 Doubar said:

Aye. And I wouldn't have any objections would Sinbad really love Bryn. But the whole fic made it clear: he doesn't. And that's the point. Maybe you can live with someone, pretending to love them, when there's no other in your life - but you certainly can't when your whole heart and soul are crying for another who is waiting for you to join them.

Put it this way, in the movie Cast Away, what should Helen Hunt's character have done when Tom Hank's character gone missing. She still loved him, but there was no garentee that he was alive and would return. For Sinbad, there was no garentee that Maeve was alive or would return. Are you saying that Sinbad should live the rest of his life single?

No. If reasoned properly, this version of him turning to Bryn instead for the reasons you mentioned can be logical. But - and I can´t speak for DOubar there of course, this version had it look unreasonable and unlogical because it seemed like an all of a sudden thing. I as a reader had the feeling that, starting with chapter one, I had been directly tossed into the story, almost as if this was notchapter 1 at all. It all happened too suddenly to be logical for me.

Which doesn´t mean that the story in itself isn´t a good one. I liked it, I´m just rather sceptical towards the reasoning in the beginning.

[firouz]

Don't be too skeptical. Life is not always logical. Heck, humans are a very illogical species. ;D