Little moments here and there

[Doubar]

Because Manche asked for it, here's the list I once created and which was meant to include all the little Doubar/Bryn moments that could well be taken as a hint towards them harbouring feelings for each other. I realize most of that stuff can just as easily be seen as nothing but friendship (which it most definitely was intended to be), still personally I enjoy them all.

So prepare for them moments and forgive me my shippiness. That list was created when I was in the middle of my crazy-about-them-phase. So yeah, I was a little crazy back then.

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S02E01: The Sacrifice:
• Not much here apart the Doubar has this big smile on his face when at the end it becomes clear that Bryn will stay part of their crew

S02E02: Return of the Ronin:
• When the Demons attack the village and Doubar gets knocked out - one of the Demons raising his sword, aiming to kill him - Bryn saves him with her magic.
This is ep2 and Bryn has near to no control over her powers unless she’s emotionally involved. And I mean, really involved.
If you like you can compare this to a scene in “Invaders”. There, Sinbad is out on the sea with a longboat and the aliens attack him. Bryn tries to help with her powers but fails to summon them and save the captain. Interesting thing that.
• Doubar asking for Bryn’s opinion when the crew (minus Sinbad and Tetsu who already left to get the magical weapons) discuss what to do about the demon that obviously stayed in the village. He mentions that she has “a sixth sense about this kind of stuff” but really, when did he ever ask for magical input on his plans? Plus: Take notice of how he addresses her. Sounds rather gentle, and very much like they feel easy around each other right from the start.
• In the crew’s next scene (after Tetsu and Sinbad fight off the evil toilet paper) Bryn first wanders around in the house and then sits down next to Doubar and when Firouz then starts to wonder about the number 7 Doubar supports their pondering/reasoning. O.o When Bryn begins to mention other myths, he even adds the Seven Sins to that as if was the most natural thing on earth. But in fact, in S1 we usually saw him complain about any mystical and magical theories or pondering on them (I guess we can assume Maeve has her share in this change of thinking, but still It seemed exceptional to me).

S02E03: Heart and Soul:
• When Bryn cries out in pain, although he’s at the other side, having a hold on the horse, Doubar immediately lets go and goes to her, wearing a rather worried look on his face. Of course, Sinbad looks roughly the same though with him it seems to be more alertness to possible danger. Also the captain dismisses the pain, while Doubar then reasons with him so that they take a rest.
• It’s really hard to make out, but telling from the bright sleeve that seems to have faint stripes on it, it seems to me that , as they make camp, Bryn is lying next to Doubar (random thought: no wonder she cannot sleep, that’s guys’ snoring really loudly )
• When the crew meet the baron and Sinbad signals them to shed their swords, Bryn first briefly looks to her left and with this at Doubar as if checking on what he does before she, too, puts away her weapon (and that’s although Sinbad gave the order to).
• the following will actually happen quite often during the season: as Doubar realizes his strength won’t get him/them out of this, he relies on Bryn to save the day
• And then comes the whole dungeon thing. I realize that the intention might simply be to show that Bryn is a friend and a valued member of the crew, protected by her new family but really… can you get more shippy than what we get to see there?
Doubar is constantly frightened for Bryn, even practically sacrifices himself for her while the guard in turn seems well aware that the easiest way to have the 1st mate give in is to endanger Bryn. I am aware you can just as well interpret this all as a sibling-like relationship, with Doubar just really feeling protective like he did with Maeve. But somehow that’s different. It seems different to me at last.

S02E04: Voyage to Hell:
• When they arrive in hell, after the first soul passes them by, a second comes and makes them duck. You need to watch closely but as it passes Doubar and Bryn (who stand next to each other) you can see that Bryn’s right arm is raised to be behind Doubar’s back – right as if she had wanted to protect him.

S02E08: The Beast of Basra:
• When Firouz and Bryn come back from checking on the lightly wounded Mal, Bryn stops next to Doubar although she could have also gone to join Firouz at Sinbad’s side
• When Bryn explains that the werewolf is human and Doubar looks up to her because she started to speak, she replies his gaze although she was initially talking to Firouz and Sinbad, explaining what she knew
• A minor something, but Bryn notices right away that Doubar is hurt.
• When the crew go out for their second hunt, Bryn – again – positions herself right next to Doubar and not Sinbad. And when they leave, Doubar refusing to take the garlic, her gaze is on him and at least to me she looks worried.
• As Doubar changes into a werewolf, Bryn instantly feels that “something is wrong, very wrong”. In our dubbing she describes it even better. She says: “Something changed. Completely changed.” I add this one for you because to me it bears a nice meaning.
Bryn feels the shift although Doubar has never been described as important in the battle between good or evil (meaning: the shift cannot be that dramatic concerning the overall balance between the two forces), which at least to me means that she must be attuned to his aura.
In addition to this: while usually she only has vague feelings of threat, in that very moment she clearly can tell that Doubar is in danger. It is arguable that this implies she has a strong emotional connection to him – of whatever kind you want this one to be.
• Out of all the crew, Bryn is the only one who refuses to give up on Doubar. While the others plan on killing him, she seeks Yaga hoping that he might be able to help
• Although it’s impolite to stare at a woman’s chest I know – just this once: do it. You can see Bryn’s agitated breathing as Yaga tells his story. That even increases when the healer mentiones that Doubar might be freed by the blade. Honestly, although she barely knows him she’s more distressed than any other of the crew.
• Notice how Yaga nods at her, and how – only after he saw her reaction to his words – he indeed tells of another way. And then his eyes never leave her face as he explains to her how the curse can be lifted. He says:
“He may be saved by the touch of a channeler of pure good. One who would sacrifice anything to safe the victim’s soul. One, whose power is bright enough to lead Doubar’s soul out of the darkness of the curse.”
Saving a cursed one obviously is a difficult and also most dangerous task. The savior must be willing to risk their own life, maybe even their own soul, to free the other from the curse. No one would do this for a random person. And most would not do it for a normal friend. The only ones you would do this for are your loved ones, and friends you call your family. In short: people you love, in one or the other way.
• Bryn immediately goes after Doubar, without even giving it a second thought.

• As Bryn encounters the werewolf-Doubar, although she obviously is scared and doubtful, she tries to connect with him. At no other point did she do that in the series – not even when Sinbad was under Kundalini’s curse.

S02E09: The Passengers
• Doubar obviously feels most annoyed by the new passengers’ presence. And that’s right after Kundalini’s guard made that comment about Bryn. Sinbad obviously doesn’t take much notice of that as he seems to be more focused on the money they get from this deal, but just for once Doubar doesn’t seem to care much about the same .
• As the crew secretly meet and discuss about what to do, and Doubar and Rongar are about to just storm off and imprison the passengers, Bryn sharply tells him to stop. And Doubar doesn’t even get grumpy after that. He just looks at her and asks what options they have. Now imagine Maeve had done that, or anyone else, really. That man has a soft spot for the petite brunette. Simple as that.
• At the same time, when Bryn reasons with Doubar it’s rather obvious how important it is to her that he agrees.

S02E13: A City under Plague:
• That scene when they’re chained below deck. Seriously, apart from Sinbad and Maeve, when did AoS ever show someone bickering like this?

Doubar: Rongar, how many did you hear up above?
Rongar: *signs*
Doubar: That makes only three.
Bryn: *annoyed* If you didn’t notice, we’re chained. We just hope they bring Firouz and Sinbad back and let us leave.
Doubar: *hisses* In case you didn’t notice, these guys aren’t exactly escorts. (…)
Bryn: *gives in* You’re right. What do you have in mind?
Doubar: *pouts defiantly* I’m thinking about it.
Bryn: *sighs*

Haha, plus Bryn seems to be the only one, too, who can make Doubar put on this adorable pouting-little-boy-face.
• When Doubar, Rongar and Bryn walk into the city they have a look around and it’s easy to see something’s wrong. Bryn voices that out the first; however, all she does say is Doubar’s name. She doesn’t address Rongar and she doesn’t say more than the first mate’s name either – right as if she would expect him to get what she’s thinking anyway.
• Before the three of them split up, Doubar turns to Bryn and softly says “be careful”. In our dub he’s clearly addressing both, Rongar and Bryn, however, the way he says it in the original version sounds more like he does indeed only mean Bryn. Because right after he nods at Rongar separately as if to say “take care, see you then”
• Have a good look: as Doubar tells Bryn to be careful, she lifts her right hand and touches his left lower arm. I realize this gesture is just to reassure him, still it speaks of familiarity between those two
• You can actually see that in many eps: whenever Sinbad is occupied otherwise, Bryn mostly walks next to Doubar. When you watch the end of this ep, you will see that this is the case here as well.
• Just watch Bryn and Doubar while they watch Firouz and Velda. They don’t only have these huge amused grins on their face, but they’re also sharing a glance twice. A glance that looks a lot like they knew exactly what the other was thinking right then, and they share this moment of fun.

S02E16: Gryphon’s Tale:
• Just a little goodie: Doubar makes Bryn laugh heartily.
• When they are trying to set the baby gryphon free, Rongar and Bryn get assaulted by another dozen soldiers and after Firouz fires off his Bazooka-thing, Doubar comes running up the stairs, heroically getting rid of two soldiers at once and then – without even glancing at Rongar – grumbles at Bryn that he couldn’t let her out of his sight for a minute. Sounds any familiar to anybody? Didn’t Sinbad accuse Maeve of the same thing at some point? Or is that just my head-canon?

S02E17: Beast of the Dark:
• When Sinbad decides they leave the island and that nobody is to tell Mutaro of that, it’s Doubar who asks for what to do with Bryn. When his brother says she’ll get to know right before leaving he mentions how sad she will be to leave the boy behind and looks truly sorry for her while Sinbad merely says that it’s the only way.

S02E18 Survival Run:
• When the Nomad gets attacked and that metal thingie hits Bryn on the head, sending her down to the floor unconscious, although Firouz and Sinbad both take notice of it and are obviously worried for their friend, neither of them goes to check on her until they are out of reach of the fire. I for one think this is because someone already went to Bryn’s aid (otherwise at least Firouz would have rushed to her side, wouldn’t he?). So they make sure to escape the fire first. Then, when they finally are safe and Firouz leaves to check on Bryn, Sinbad following him shortly after, we see Doubar supporting her while Firouz’ hands are more in the air /loosely placed on her arm. I therefore reckon it was Doubar who immediately rushed to Bryn’s side when she got hurt and tended to her when the other two stayed at the tiller.
• When the guys get in town to buy the stuff for the ‘tank’ Doubar and Bryn just seem to stroll around while Firouz and Rongar obviously do all the work.


S02E21: The Guardians:
• When Bryn hands Sinbad the baby and says she plans to go bathe, as she says the latter she first looks to her right (where the guys are, and Doubar’s at the far right, really) and then to Sinbad; and when she actually says she’d appreciate some privacy she looks back to the right again; and while the guys only smile good-naturedly/slighty amused , Doubar’s laughing this weird laugh while Bryn has this challenging look on her face… not gonna interpret that one, really. Just mention it and leave the rest for you to interpret. . No, honestly, I guess the real innuendo of this scene was to just have the crew have fun with Sinbad being totally dumbstruck about being left to handle the baby (we did discuss that before after all), or maybe even a slight hint towards a possible S/B pairing; however one thing still can’t be denied if you ask me: Doubar and Bryn are without any doubt very close to each other, sharing jokes and getting the other’s hints.


The Book of Before:
• When the druids attack the first time and Doubar falls from that wagon, Bryn cries/calls his name and even lets go of the horses before running into his direction

The Invaders:
• When Sinbad tries to reach the Nomad in the longboat and he gets attacked by the aliens, Bryn briefly looks back at Doubar being clearly distressed. Now it’s not the being distressed about Sinbad thing I’m aiming at, but how she automatically looks up at Doubar in that moment (she could have also sought Rongar ‘s gaze as he was right behind her as well; however, she didn’t). To me it seems like when she’s unsure of something (herself or the situation) unknowingly she seeks Doubar’s presence and his opinion on this.
• Though there’s not been much chance of anyone else doing that: but again it’s Doubar who asks her for help. And without even thinking about it, she says she will try. She could have done so before however, she does only try after Doubar asks her to.


Castle Keep
• When Doubar is reunited with the other four and that barkeeper says he warned the sailors, Doubar does half-snap at him in his typical manor. But then, right after, when he turns to Bryn telling her that they could need some magic there, his voice gets all soft and almost even gentle
-> To my knowledge the only other time he used an equally soft voice was when he spoke to Sinbad during “The Bully”. Now one might interpret this as a sign that he rather looks upon Bryn like a little sister, but whereas in the Bully it was all about life-changing events, here he’s just asking her to use her magic. Nothing more. And still he uses that voice which he seems to have reserved only for those he cares about the most.
• And once again, when his powers are limited, he relies on Bryn.
• While Firouz is mumbling that it was nothing and Doubar’s telling him to “spill it”, Bryn’s gaze is lying entirely on Doubar before finally it shifts to lie on the inventor as he explains his idea
• The long glance Doubar and Bryn share as Firouz walks off babbling and Doubar explains that the scientist works best under pressure.

Ali Rashid and the Thieves:
• When the crew – minus Rongar but plus Shirez – search for Rongar, after they have left the road, you can see that Bryn and Doubar are walking next to each other again
• A minor something: when Doubar discovers the entrance to the caves, he first calls Bryn and then Firouz
• When Ali Rashid captures the crew and asks Bryn where Sinbad is, she first briefly looks to Doubar and then Firouz before she decides not to tell him.
• It starts getting repetitive but as Ali Rashid attacks Sinbad with his magical sword, Doubar cries for Bryn to help and although she says she’s not sure she can do it, he pushes her to

Hell House
• I love the look Bryn gives Doubar before she leaves for the market right in the first scene. It literally says “serves you right” – but in a teasing and good-natured way.

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Well, as I said, I never completed the list. And now I actually hope that none of the cast with ever stumble across this thread because I am aware this pairing isn't canon and my list mildly embarassing therefor. Plus, I know I am biased and maybe you guys could list a Firouz/Bryn or Dermott/Bryn moment for each Doubar/Bryn one I found, but... well, yeah. Younger me still reveled in all those scenes she found.

[manche]

Oh, this is such woderful topic, I hope that none of the actors would be ashamed if he read it, there are only your insights and must say these insights are really interesting.

Return of the Ronin:

Yes, it was great how Bryn saved him and really in the Invaders she was not able to save Sinbad before the light which is the interesting note (although i am not sure if she could have done something with the light at all, i must have been the very powerful strength), there she had the big emotional reaction to the situation and it helps her to save Doubar. I simply love the scene. And how Doubar gave her the support during this discussion, it was really great (although it does not seem to me that he was very doubtful about magic in the first season, if i should mark the person who seemed very often doubtful about it, it would be definitely Firouz). And how he asked for her advice, it showed that despite the fact that she was with them for a quite short time, he had the complete trust in her.

Heart and Soul:

I consider the scenes in the dungeon to be very shippy as well, since the time where i have started to think about them as about the pair. You look at the expression when he saw her to fall into unconsciousness (we must realize that he did not probably have the idea what this thing is and how bad influence could have on her life, it does not seem that the leader of the guards takes seriously the orders not to harm them), he was simply scared and later he offered his life instead of her. And again the leader looked that he was enjoying his anger at him and fear of her when he ordered to kill her first (and I think that he said that Doubar will go as the last person, which meant that he will be watching to die Firouz and Barada as well) he simply wanted to prolong his suffering. At the end, Doubar was together with Barada separated by her the large group of soldiers, but when Firouz failed, he wanted to attack them regardless of his own life. The common planned attack of those three (the Doubar's idea) was not only the desperate attempt to save their own lives but mainly save the life of Bryn who was undoubtedly in the biggest danger at the moment. (the guys could fight with soldiers and they had a certain hope but what chance they had against this immortal woman?)

The Beast of Basra:

We talked about it before, but it is really the truth. Bryn who had known Doubar for the shortest time was the only member of the crew who was willing to do everything for his rescue, including sacrificing herself. And i must say that this version of your dubbing sounds better than the original.

The Passengers:

Yes, she was definitely able to persuade him about the different strategy. I am not sure if Maeve was able to persuade him as well (but maybe she forced him to think about it at least, they had the great friendship definitely), or someone else. And when Sinbad ordered to arrest Doubar she looked very in disbelief and in horror. From one part she was undoubtedly horrfied what the captain did, but i think that from the other part she was shaken that Doubar experienced something like that and she felt the remorse and the feeling of helplessness to help him. (or you think that she would react the same way if the first arrested man was Firouz or Rongar?)

A City under Plague:

The scene where were chained below deck, was quite sweet. I agree it reminded me a little the scene from the Ties that Bind between Maeve and Sinbad. She was able to calm Doubar a little there and hardly anybody would be succesful in this task, but Bryn definitely was. And the gesture in the city was sweet, i have never noticed it but i looked at it and it is really sweet gesture.

Survival Run:

Doubar cared for Bryn, when our leader and our doctor had the different task. He probably realized that he can not help with getting out of this fire and he wanted to assure that Bryn is okay.

Gryphon’s Tale:

Someone could say that he was simply protective towards her there similarly as he always was protective towards Maeve, but in this case it looked really a little different. We know what we see there, or maybe what we want to see there.

The Invaders:

She looked at him as if she asked him for the advice in this scene. He relied on her in the dangerous situations, but she relied on him as well.

Castle Keep:

I watched this episode mostly in my dubbing, where the change in his voice was not so evident, but in the original there is a quite difference, undoubtedly.

Hell House:

I also like the scene when Doubar wanted to enter into the Scratch's lair as the first and Bryn tried to stop him. She was probably feeling the threat and she had the fear about him. The gesture with the hand was quite touching.


Maybe i could during the progress of time add some my insights as well. I think that these things are only for fun and they can not harm anyone. The similar lists might not cover only love relations, we could create the list for moments of friendship between some characters as well (for example Maeve/ Doubar and their bond which reminded the siblings, or the Firouz/Rongar friendship for example). Only ideas which can become the reality one day.

[maeve3000]

wow that's such a huge list.
never notice this so clear.
I'm more from begin a Dermott/Bryn shipper not ask me why.
BUT this list make me like doubar/bryn as well...

Jan 14, 2014 17:09:39 GMT -5 Doubar said:

Because Manche asked for it, here's the list I once created and which was meant to include all the little Doubar/Bryn moments that could well be taken as a hint towards them harbouring feelings for each other. I realize most of that stuff can just as easily be seen as nothing but friendship (which it most definitely was intended to be), still personally I enjoy them all.

So prepare for them moments and forgive me my shippiness. That list was created when I was in the middle of my crazy-about-them-phase. So yeah, I was a little crazy back then.

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S02E01: The Sacrifice:
• Not much here apart the Doubar has this big smile on his face when at the end it becomes clear that Bryn will stay part of their crew

S02E02: Return of the Ronin:
• When the Demons attack the village and Doubar gets knocked out - one of the Demons raising his sword, aiming to kill him - Bryn saves him with her magic.
This is ep2 and Bryn has near to no control over her powers unless she’s emotionally involved. And I mean, really involved.
If you like you can compare this to a scene in “Invaders”. There, Sinbad is out on the sea with a longboat and the aliens attack him. Bryn tries to help with her powers but fails to summon them and save the captain. Interesting thing that.
• Doubar asking for Bryn’s opinion when the crew (minus Sinbad and Tetsu who already left to get the magical weapons) discuss what to do about the demon that obviously stayed in the village. He mentions that she has “a sixth sense about this kind of stuff” but really, when did he ever ask for magical input on his plans? Plus: Take notice of how he addresses her. Sounds rather gentle, and very much like they feel easy around each other right from the start.
• In the crew’s next scene (after Tetsu and Sinbad fight off the evil toilet paper) Bryn first wanders around in the house and then sits down next to Doubar and when Firouz then starts to wonder about the number 7 Doubar supports their pondering/reasoning. O.o When Bryn begins to mention other myths, he even adds the Seven Sins to that as if was the most natural thing on earth. But in fact, in S1 we usually saw him complain about any mystical and magical theories or pondering on them (I guess we can assume Maeve has her share in this change of thinking, but still It seemed exceptional to me).

S02E03: Heart and Soul:
• When Bryn cries out in pain, although he’s at the other side, having a hold on the horse, Doubar immediately lets go and goes to her, wearing a rather worried look on his face. Of course, Sinbad looks roughly the same though with him it seems to be more alertness to possible danger. Also the captain dismisses the pain, while Doubar then reasons with him so that they take a rest.
• It’s really hard to make out, but telling from the bright sleeve that seems to have faint stripes on it, it seems to me that , as they make camp, Bryn is lying next to Doubar (random thought: no wonder she cannot sleep, that’s guys’ snoring really loudly )
• When the crew meet the baron and Sinbad signals them to shed their swords, Bryn first briefly looks to her left and with this at Doubar as if checking on what he does before she, too, puts away her weapon (and that’s although Sinbad gave the order to).
• the following will actually happen quite often during the season: as Doubar realizes his strength won’t get him/them out of this, he relies on Bryn to save the day
• And then comes the whole dungeon thing. I realize that the intention might simply be to show that Bryn is a friend and a valued member of the crew, protected by her new family but really… can you get more shippy than what we get to see there?
Doubar is constantly frightened for Bryn, even practically sacrifices himself for her while the guard in turn seems well aware that the easiest way to have the 1st mate give in is to endanger Bryn. I am aware you can just as well interpret this all as a sibling-like relationship, with Doubar just really feeling protective like he did with Maeve. But somehow that’s different. It seems different to me at last.

S02E04: Voyage to Hell:
• When they arrive in hell, after the first soul passes them by, a second comes and makes them duck. You need to watch closely but as it passes Doubar and Bryn (who stand next to each other) you can see that Bryn’s right arm is raised to be behind Doubar’s back – right as if she had wanted to protect him.

S02E08: The Beast of Basra:
• When Firouz and Bryn come back from checking on the lightly wounded Mal, Bryn stops next to Doubar although she could have also gone to join Firouz at Sinbad’s side
• When Bryn explains that the werewolf is human and Doubar looks up to her because she started to speak, she replies his gaze although she was initially talking to Firouz and Sinbad, explaining what she knew
• A minor something, but Bryn notices right away that Doubar is hurt.
• When the crew go out for their second hunt, Bryn – again – positions herself right next to Doubar and not Sinbad. And when they leave, Doubar refusing to take the garlic, her gaze is on him and at least to me she looks worried.
• As Doubar changes into a werewolf, Bryn instantly feels that “something is wrong, very wrong”. In our dubbing she describes it even better. She says: “Something changed. Completely changed.” I add this one for you because to me it bears a nice meaning.
Bryn feels the shift although Doubar has never been described as important in the battle between good or evil (meaning: the shift cannot be that dramatic concerning the overall balance between the two forces), which at least to me means that she must be attuned to his aura.
In addition to this: while usually she only has vague feelings of threat, in that very moment she clearly can tell that Doubar is in danger. It is arguable that this implies she has a strong emotional connection to him – of whatever kind you want this one to be.
• Out of all the crew, Bryn is the only one who refuses to give up on Doubar. While the others plan on killing him, she seeks Yaga hoping that he might be able to help
• Although it’s impolite to stare at a woman’s chest I know – just this once: do it. You can see Bryn’s agitated breathing as Yaga tells his story. That even increases when the healer mentiones that Doubar might be freed by the blade. Honestly, although she barely knows him she’s more distressed than any other of the crew.
• Notice how Yaga nods at her, and how – only after he saw her reaction to his words – he indeed tells of another way. And then his eyes never leave her face as he explains to her how the curse can be lifted. He says:
“He may be saved by the touch of a channeler of pure good. One who would sacrifice anything to safe the victim’s soul. One, whose power is bright enough to lead Doubar’s soul out of the darkness of the curse.”
Saving a cursed one obviously is a difficult and also most dangerous task. The savior must be willing to risk their own life, maybe even their own soul, to free the other from the curse. No one would do this for a random person. And most would not do it for a normal friend. The only ones you would do this for are your loved ones, and friends you call your family. In short: people you love, in one or the other way.
• Bryn immediately goes after Doubar, without even giving it a second thought.

• As Bryn encounters the werewolf-Doubar, although she obviously is scared and doubtful, she tries to connect with him. At no other point did she do that in the series – not even when Sinbad was under Kundalini’s curse.

S02E09: The Passengers
• Doubar obviously feels most annoyed by the new passengers’ presence. And that’s right after Kundalini’s guard made that comment about Bryn. Sinbad obviously doesn’t take much notice of that as he seems to be more focused on the money they get from this deal, but just for once Doubar doesn’t seem to care much about the same .
• As the crew secretly meet and discuss about what to do, and Doubar and Rongar are about to just storm off and imprison the passengers, Bryn sharply tells him to stop. And Doubar doesn’t even get grumpy after that. He just looks at her and asks what options they have. Now imagine Maeve had done that, or anyone else, really. That man has a soft spot for the petite brunette. Simple as that.
• At the same time, when Bryn reasons with Doubar it’s rather obvious how important it is to her that he agrees.

S02E13: A City under Plague:
• That scene when they’re chained below deck. Seriously, apart from Sinbad and Maeve, when did AoS ever show someone bickering like this?

Doubar: Rongar, how many did you hear up above?
Rongar: *signs*
Doubar: That makes only three.
Bryn: *annoyed* If you didn’t notice, we’re chained. We just hope they bring Firouz and Sinbad back and let us leave.
Doubar: *hisses* In case you didn’t notice, these guys aren’t exactly escorts. (…)
Bryn: *gives in* You’re right. What do you have in mind?
Doubar: *pouts defiantly* I’m thinking about it.
Bryn: *sighs*

Haha, plus Bryn seems to be the only one, too, who can make Doubar put on this adorable pouting-little-boy-face.
• When Doubar, Rongar and Bryn walk into the city they have a look around and it’s easy to see something’s wrong. Bryn voices that out the first; however, all she does say is Doubar’s name. She doesn’t address Rongar and she doesn’t say more than the first mate’s name either – right as if she would expect him to get what she’s thinking anyway.
• Before the three of them split up, Doubar turns to Bryn and softly says “be careful”. In our dub he’s clearly addressing both, Rongar and Bryn, however, the way he says it in the original version sounds more like he does indeed only mean Bryn. Because right after he nods at Rongar separately as if to say “take care, see you then”
• Have a good look: as Doubar tells Bryn to be careful, she lifts her right hand and touches his left lower arm. I realize this gesture is just to reassure him, still it speaks of familiarity between those two
• You can actually see that in many eps: whenever Sinbad is occupied otherwise, Bryn mostly walks next to Doubar. When you watch the end of this ep, you will see that this is the case here as well.
• Just watch Bryn and Doubar while they watch Firouz and Velda. They don’t only have these huge amused grins on their face, but they’re also sharing a glance twice. A glance that looks a lot like they knew exactly what the other was thinking right then, and they share this moment of fun.

S02E16: Gryphon’s Tale:
• Just a little goodie: Doubar makes Bryn laugh heartily.
• When they are trying to set the baby gryphon free, Rongar and Bryn get assaulted by another dozen soldiers and after Firouz fires off his Bazooka-thing, Doubar comes running up the stairs, heroically getting rid of two soldiers at once and then – without even glancing at Rongar – grumbles at Bryn that he couldn’t let her out of his sight for a minute. Sounds any familiar to anybody? Didn’t Sinbad accuse Maeve of the same thing at some point? Or is that just my head-canon?

S02E17: Beast of the Dark:
• When Sinbad decides they leave the island and that nobody is to tell Mutaro of that, it’s Doubar who asks for what to do with Bryn. When his brother says she’ll get to know right before leaving he mentions how sad she will be to leave the boy behind and looks truly sorry for her while Sinbad merely says that it’s the only way.

S02E18 Survival Run:
• When the Nomad gets attacked and that metal thingie hits Bryn on the head, sending her down to the floor unconscious, although Firouz and Sinbad both take notice of it and are obviously worried for their friend, neither of them goes to check on her until they are out of reach of the fire. I for one think this is because someone already went to Bryn’s aid (otherwise at least Firouz would have rushed to her side, wouldn’t he?). So they make sure to escape the fire first. Then, when they finally are safe and Firouz leaves to check on Bryn, Sinbad following him shortly after, we see Doubar supporting her while Firouz’ hands are more in the air /loosely placed on her arm. I therefore reckon it was Doubar who immediately rushed to Bryn’s side when she got hurt and tended to her when the other two stayed at the tiller.
• When the guys get in town to buy the stuff for the ‘tank’ Doubar and Bryn just seem to stroll around while Firouz and Rongar obviously do all the work.


S02E21: The Guardians:
• When Bryn hands Sinbad the baby and says she plans to go bathe, as she says the latter she first looks to her right (where the guys are, and Doubar’s at the far right, really) and then to Sinbad; and when she actually says she’d appreciate some privacy she looks back to the right again; and while the guys only smile good-naturedly/slighty amused , Doubar’s laughing this weird laugh while Bryn has this challenging look on her face… not gonna interpret that one, really. Just mention it and leave the rest for you to interpret. . No, honestly, I guess the real innuendo of this scene was to just have the crew have fun with Sinbad being totally dumbstruck about being left to handle the baby (we did discuss that before after all), or maybe even a slight hint towards a possible S/B pairing; however one thing still can’t be denied if you ask me: Doubar and Bryn are without any doubt very close to each other, sharing jokes and getting the other’s hints.


The Book of Before:
• When the druids attack the first time and Doubar falls from that wagon, Bryn cries/calls his name and even lets go of the horses before running into his direction

The Invaders:
• When Sinbad tries to reach the Nomad in the longboat and he gets attacked by the aliens, Bryn briefly looks back at Doubar being clearly distressed. Now it’s not the being distressed about Sinbad thing I’m aiming at, but how she automatically looks up at Doubar in that moment (she could have also sought Rongar ‘s gaze as he was right behind her as well; however, she didn’t). To me it seems like when she’s unsure of something (herself or the situation) unknowingly she seeks Doubar’s presence and his opinion on this.
• Though there’s not been much chance of anyone else doing that: but again it’s Doubar who asks her for help. And without even thinking about it, she says she will try. She could have done so before however, she does only try after Doubar asks her to.


Castle Keep
• When Doubar is reunited with the other four and that barkeeper says he warned the sailors, Doubar does half-snap at him in his typical manor. But then, right after, when he turns to Bryn telling her that they could need some magic there, his voice gets all soft and almost even gentle
-> To my knowledge the only other time he used an equally soft voice was when he spoke to Sinbad during “The Bully”. Now one might interpret this as a sign that he rather looks upon Bryn like a little sister, but whereas in the Bully it was all about life-changing events, here he’s just asking her to use her magic. Nothing more. And still he uses that voice which he seems to have reserved only for those he cares about the most.
• And once again, when his powers are limited, he relies on Bryn.
• While Firouz is mumbling that it was nothing and Doubar’s telling him to “spill it”, Bryn’s gaze is lying entirely on Doubar before finally it shifts to lie on the inventor as he explains his idea
• The long glance Doubar and Bryn share as Firouz walks off babbling and Doubar explains that the scientist works best under pressure.

Ali Rashid and the Thieves:
• When the crew – minus Rongar but plus Shirez – search for Rongar, after they have left the road, you can see that Bryn and Doubar are walking next to each other again
• A minor something: when Doubar discovers the entrance to the caves, he first calls Bryn and then Firouz
• When Ali Rashid captures the crew and asks Bryn where Sinbad is, she first briefly looks to Doubar and then Firouz before she decides not to tell him.
• It starts getting repetitive but as Ali Rashid attacks Sinbad with his magical sword, Doubar cries for Bryn to help and although she says she’s not sure she can do it, he pushes her to

Hell House
• I love the look Bryn gives Doubar before she leaves for the market right in the first scene. It literally says “serves you right” – but in a teasing and good-natured way.

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Well, as I said, I never completed the list. And now I actually hope that none of the cast with ever stumble across this thread because I am aware this pairing isn't canon and my list mildly embarassing therefor. Plus, I know I am biased and maybe you guys could list a Firouz/Bryn or Dermott/Bryn moment for each Doubar/Bryn one I found, but... well, yeah. Younger me still reveled in all those scenes she found.

[Doubar]

Jan 15, 2014 7:21:38 GMT -5 manche said:

Oh, this is such woderful topic, I hope that none of the actors would be ashamed if he read it, there are only your insights and must say these insights are really interesting.

Glad you like my ponderings. And yeah I, too, hope that the actors wouldn't feel emberassed reading this. After all I'm not suggesting anything ontoward, just playing a little with what was there - even if it most definitely held a different meaning to it.

Return of the Ronin:

I agree with you. It remains unclear whether maybe in The Invaders the alien technology was just too strong for her to do anything. But then again to me it looked like she couldn't even summon her magic. Most scenes that have her use it, show her with glowing eyes or a wind suddenly blowing or anything the likes, but in The Invaders - nothing. So that's why I assumed she couldn't even use her magic, though that again might have to do with the alien tech.
In any case, the scene in The Ronin was just sweet and yes, I like a lot how Doubar right from the start seems to trust and believe in her.

(although it does not seem to me that he was very doubtful about magic in the first season, if i should mark the person who seemed very often doubtful about it, it would be definitely Firouz

Now that's definitely true. He was most annoyed about Firouz. All the same, if you remember The Beast Within - Doubar was utterly sceptical about Maeve's actions there. And even though he then learned that she was resourceful, I always had the feeling that he wasn't too fond of anything that was out of his grasp. And magic and science both fall into that category. *pats Doubar's head*

Heart and Soul:

Oooh, indeed. His face when she loses consciousness. Brilliant acting, that. You can easily see that Doubar is frightened because he doesn't know what's happening and the guard constantly taunted and threated him with what he might do to her, too. Really if we didn't know that a Doubar/Bryn pairing wasn't planned then you would totally think that's exactly what we would have ended up with in the show. And sometimes I cannot help but think that, given the rumours are true, maybe they weren't that certain yet at the beginning of S2 just what they ought to do with Bryn. Pair her with Doubar, or with Sinbad. Because really, those first eps hardly hold anything Sinbad/Bryn-ish but loads of lovely moments between the first mate and her. My pov anyway.

At the end, Doubar was together with Barada separated by her the large group of soldiers, but when Firouz failed, he wanted to attack them regardless of his own life. The common planned attack of those three (the Doubar's idea) was not only the desperate attempt to save their own lives but mainly save the life of Bryn who was undoubtedly in the biggest danger at the moment. (the guyes could fight with soldiers and they had a certain hope but what chance they had against this immortal woman?)

Now that's a good point actually! I had it in the list, too, but erased it lest it became too long. But yeah, he was willing to die and I, too, keep thinking it was not just to rather die fighting then just giving in. After all, if I remember right, he struggled against the soldiers again the moment that Bryn was advanced by the vampire.

The Beast of Basra:

We talked about it before, but it is really the truth. Bryn who had known Doubar for the shorter time was the only member of the crew who was willing to do everything for his rescue, including sacrificing herself. And i must say that this version of your dubbing sounds better than the original.

Indeed. And thanks for liking our dubbing. I think, the studio that was responsible for it did a fairly good job. And in this case I even prefer their version over the original.

The Passengers:

Haha, yeah, Maeve sure knew how to convince Doubar, too. Just by glaring at him and making him feel like he was being ridiculous. But Bryn could approach him in a whole different manner. Just her looking at him or speaking his name had an effect on him, and that's got to mean something.

but i think that from the other part she was shaken that Doubar experienced something like that and she felt the remorse and the feeling of helplessness to help him. (or you think that she would react the same way if the first arrested man was Firouz or Rongar?)

No, I guess she wouldn't have reacted the same way had this been about Rongar or Firouz. After all, shipping Doubar and her or not, she knew how close the brothers were and how much it must hurt Doubar to be treated like this. So even when they're just really close friends it would pain her, too, to watch the scene.

A City under Plague:

Aye, I love that scene! Reminded me so much of what Sinbad and Maeve had - a true delight to watch.
Yay, and good to know I was able to show you something new. ^^


Survival Run:

Doubar cared for Bryn, when our leader and our doctor had the different task. He probably realized that he can not help with getting out of this fire and he wanted to assure that Bryn is okay.

Most likely that, yes. Still, I for one like it a lot how he's obviously the first one to go and help her.

Gryphon’s Tale:

Someone could say that he was simply protective towards her there similarly as he always was protective towards Maeve, but in this case it looked really a little different. We know what we see there, or maybe what we want to see there.

In the end, we can never say whether it was really there or if we are just imagening things. I guess, if we're being realistic we have to realize that none of what we see was ever intended to be anything else but friendship. I reckon, the only reason why this strong bond between Doubar and Bryn was portrayed was that Bryn would be related to someone else, too, and not just Sinbad. Tying her to the captain would have made all those ladies-of-the-day a rather difficult thing to handle but with creating a strong friendship to Doubar for her and an only slowly developing relationship to Sinbad they were rather free to do whatever pleased them.

The Invaders:

Aw, well spoken that. They relied on each other - it was not just a one-way thing indeed.

Castle Keep:

Glad you agree. I remembered, back then I did check and compare the voices so as not to just assume something.

Hell House:

Oh, there was so much more in Hell House I think. Only I never really got around to really 'doing' that ep. I always planned to though, because after a good number of eps where there was hardly anything Bryn/Doubar-ish Hell House held a few nice moments again.


Aw, and you're welcome to share your insights as well. I am happy to have another one stir this ship together with me.
And nice thinking about similar lists for friendship moments, too. I guess we could fill dozens and dozens of pages on that topic. The crew was just so very awesome together!

[Doubar]

Jan 15, 2014 14:10:42 GMT -5 maeve3000 said:

wow that's such a huge list.
never notice this so clear.
I'm more from begin a Dermott/Bryn shipper not ask me why.
BUT this list make me like doubar/bryn as well...

Tellin' you a little secret... originally I paired up Bryn with Dermott as well. Though only to get "rid" of her and ship Maeve and Sinbad again without having a bad conscience.

I do see the attraction of Dermott and Bryn together though, mainly thanks to Teti's vision of the couple, but unfortunately there was not much about them in the show. Dermott's role was much smaller in S2 anyway, so he and Bryn did hardly have any scenes together.

Doubar and Bryn on the other hand... really, if it hadn't been for her developing a quite obvious interest in Sinbad I would totally have believed that S3 would have revealed them to become a couple.

And I'm glad to know I could show you that the sorceress and the first mate aren't too bad as well.

[maeve3000]

Jan 19, 2014 14:23:38 GMT -5 Doubar said:

Jan 15, 2014 14:10:42 GMT -5 maeve3000 said:

wow that's such a huge list.
never notice this so clear.
I'm more from begin a Dermott/Bryn shipper not ask me why.
BUT this list make me like doubar/bryn as well...

Tellin' you a little secret... originally I paired up Bryn with Dermott as well. Though only to get "rid" of her and ship Maeve and Sinbad again without having a bad conscience.

I do see the attraction of Dermott and Bryn together though, mainly thanks to Teti's vision of the couple, but unfortunately there was not much about them in the show. Dermott's role was much smaller in S2 anyway, so he and Bryn did hardly have any scenes together.

Doubar and Bryn on the other hand... really, if it hadn't been for her developing a quite obvious interest in Sinbad I would totally have believed that S3 would have revealed them to become a couple.

And I'm glad to know I could show you that the sorceress and the first mate aren't too bad as well.

yeah indeed they hadn't much scenes together but in my mind, in my lil authors lol fantasie mind I created a backstory on them that they was together in the past. At least Dermott and Maeve meets somehow Rumina so where is Ruminas sister in that story??
I actually I some FanFics on my Computer not showed who is a lil about the past of that four. Few Fanfics but actually somehow same backstory only few diffrents...
BUT no idea if they will ever get finsihed and most of all I will need douple so long to check more on the spelling even when I myself reads to time to time them again to contoine writing I had to thought what I wrote because I never checked how often I missed the right letter at my tatature... I write only and often also not watch at the monitor :/

Anyway yes after your sentence they hadn't much scenes together and there was some Doubar/Bryn moments you are right.
actually my fav is from the stalkers where that two walks away (LOL and sure Firouz who was soooo confuse at Sinbad womenzier act)

[manche]

Jan 19, 2014 14:18:06 GMT -5 Doubar said:

Return of the Ronin:

(although it does not seem to me that he was very doubtful about magic in the first season, if i should mark the person who seemed very often doubtful about it, it would be definitely Firouz

Now that's definitely true. He was most annoyed about Firouz. All the same, if you remember The Beast Within - Doubar was utterly sceptical about Maeve's actions there. And even though he then learned that she was resourceful, I always had the feeling that he wasn't too fond of anything that was out of his grasp. And magic and science both fall into that category. *pats Doubar's head*

Yes, you are right with this episode, he did not believe her at hirst, he had some doubts (i must admit that constant change of course would have unsettled probably everyone, especially in such situation) and the fact that she said that she was connected with Dermott did not probably help very much. But at the end he realized his mistake and he probably gave the sincere apology to her (it is the shame that we did not hear any word from it, although Firouz's complains about the Doubar's lack of interest about his invention were funny), with the exception of this, i remember only the scene in the Village vanishes where he expressed his doubts if Vorgon really existed. I would say that the difference between Doubar and Firouz in this topic was that Doubar did not have the problem to believe but he did not like that this issue is out of his control. Firouz on the other hand had doubts about magic in the global scale and about its position in the world as well (i do not really understand that did not have the problem with the existence of demons and similar things, but despite the evidence he refused the existence of ghosts)

Heart and Soul:

And sometimes I cannot help but think that, given the rumours are true, maybe they weren't that certain yet at the beginning of S2 just what they ought to do with Bryn. Pair her with Doubar, or with Sinbad. Because really, those first eps hardly hold anything Sinbad/Bryn-ish but loads of lovely moments between the first mate and her. My pov anyway.

At the end, Doubar was together with Barada separated by her the large group of soldiers, but when Firouz failed, he wanted to attack them regardless of his own life. The common planned attack of those three (the Doubar's idea) was not only the desperate attempt to save their own lives but mainly save the life of Bryn who was undoubtedly in the biggest danger at the moment. (the guys could fight with soldiers and they had a certain hope but what chance they had against this immortal woman?)

Now that's a good point actually! I had it in the list, too, but erased it lest it became too long. But yeah, he was willing to die and I, too, keep thinking it was not just to rather die fighting then just giving in. After all, if I remember right, he struggled against the soldiers again the moment that Bryn was advanced by the vampire.

I have the same feeling. There were hints in the initial episodes of the relationship Doubar/Bryn althought in these episodes Sinbad did not have any chicken for him (i am not sure if we can this woman completely count among them, the situation was a little different there) but it would be strange to see Sinbad flirting with Bryn so early after vanishing of Maeve, the most of the fans at this time were the fans Sinbad/Maeve as well, i am right? And i like this ending scene, because Doubar was afraid of all of them undoubtedly, but he saw Bryn in the biggest danger so he wanted to attack them although he realized that it will cost his life. Moreover that scene showed us that the crew did not want to give up even in the biggest danger and i like similarly Firouz's attempt to save Bryn there and how they prepared for this common attack (even Barada found the courage to fight for his own life and the lives of others there)

The Beast of Basra:

We talked about it before, but it is really the truth. Bryn who had known Doubar for the shorter time was the only member of the crew who was willing to do everything for his rescue, including sacrificing herself. And i must say that this version of your dubbing sounds better than the original.

Indeed.

And it was so unfair towards her that she was not able to do anything in this situation. She would deserved something better when we realized how much she risked.

The Passengers:

Haha, yeah, Maeve sure knew how to convince Doubar, too. Just by glaring at him and making him feel like he was being ridiculous. But Bryn could approach him in a whole different manner. Just her looking at him or speaking his name had an effect on him, and that's got to mean something.

but i think that from the other part she was shaken that Doubar experienced something like that and she felt the remorse and the feeling of helplessness to help him. (or you think that she would react the same way if the first arrested man was Firouz or Rongar?)

No, I guess she wouldn't have reacted the same way had this been about Rongar or Firouz. After all, shipping Doubar and her or not, she knew how close the brothers were and how much it must hurt Doubar to be treated like this. So even when they're just really close friends it would pain her, too, to watch the scene.

Similarly as when she persuaded him to give her the tiller in the Beast within? Or when indirectly forced him to follow her in the Ronin? Yeah, she would not have the patience to persuade him so well as Bryn and she would not be willing to persuade him for a longer time. But Doubar respected her opinions and maybe he would realize as well that Maeve had the better experience which relates towards the magic. It would be only the question which way would screenwriters create the similar scene between them.

Gryphon’s Tale:

Someone could say that he was simply protective towards her there similarly as he always was protective towards Maeve, but in this case it looked really a little different. We know what we see there, or maybe what we want to see there.

In the end, we can never say whether it was really there or if we are just imagening things. I guess, if we're being realistic we have to realize that none of what we see was ever intended to be anything else but friendship. I reckon, the only reason why this strong bond between Doubar and Bryn was portrayed was that Bryn would be related to someone else, too, and not just Sinbad. Tying her to the captain would have made all those ladies-of-the-day a rather difficult thing to handle but with creating a strong friendship to Doubar for her and an only slowly developing relationship to Sinbad they were rather free to do whatever pleased them.

Maybe you are right but it is only our point of view and somebody else could find the hints of relationship between Bryn/Firouz as well for example. It is the question of our taste and when we use your fantasy a little and we will look at some situations from the different angles we can see this relationship here. And despite the fact that i like Bryn now i would still wish to see Maeve alongside Sinbad.


Hell House:

Oh, there was so much more in Hell House I think. Only I never really got around to really 'doing' that ep. I always planned to though, because after a good number of eps where there was hardly anything Bryn/Doubar-ish Hell House held a few nice moments again.

I would say the same thing, there was the nice interaction among them again, which i realize as well despite the fact that i cared about the relationship Maeve/Sinbad much more there.

Aw, and you're welcome to share your insights as well. I am happy to have another one stir this ship together with me.
And nice thinking about similar lists for friendship moments, too. I guess we could fill dozens and dozens of pages on that topic. The crew was just so very awesome together!

I am glad that you like this thought.

I do see the attraction of Dermott and Bryn together though, mainly thanks to Teti's vision of the couple, but unfortunately there was not much about them in the show. Dermott's role was much smaller in S2 anyway, so he and Bryn did hardly have any scenes together.

I never thought about them from the same reason, although it could be interesting to see them together if Dermott returned to the human form at the end of the tv series. But in the second season really Dermott had not so much room as in the first and he was not described so much as the equal crewmember.

there was some Doubar/Bryn moments you are right. actually my fav is from the stalkers where that two walks away (LOL and sure Firouz who was soooo confuse at Sinbad womenzier act)

Yeas, how was Doubar here for the sad Bryn was nice and i agree i like the showed bond between Firouz and Rongar there as well. I am not sure but i would say that this bond between them was more obvious in the first season.