The Beast Within [Ep3]

[Guest]

-was rewatching-

I never noticed before, but at the end of the ep, when Sinbad is telling Rumina of how Goz [sp?] has the keys to the cells where all her "furry friends" are kept, he (Goz, that is) holds up the keys and has this hilarious grin on his face. It made me laugh! ;D Can't believe I'd never noticed it before!

[Rongar]

Yea! LOL
Rumina's face, how little she showed, emotional wise, was funny too!

[manche]

One of my favourite episodes from this season.

A small development of the war between the crew and Rumina, we knew some details about Rumina and Maeve meeting and we knew the true identity of Dermott. The bigh fight of magic at the end, it was the great scene, how Maeve was fighting so long and she did not give up it.

The great interaction between Rumina and Sinbad. There was good chemistry between them (not only there, but in the most of episodes, which included her) and it was great hear their conversations. It was really interesting to watch the feelings of Rumina towards Sinbad, the interesting mix of love and hate.

Doubar and his belief that any woman must not steer the ship, I mentioned a certain distance which was seen by Maeve towards the crew in the second episode and there was seen that Doubar also had a certain distance towards her at the beginning of the series ( but only in some fields, he was nice to see him as the gentleman at the beginning of the episode).

And the solution with the changing of Goz into the human being at the end, i did not expect this during the first watching. I think that it is the better solution than killing him simply.

[Majid]

Admittedly, this is one of the S1 eps I like the least. Dunno why, it wasn't bad per se, but still I don't much enjoy watching it. Only scene I truly like is the one onboard where we hear Dermott's voice for the first and only time and where we get to know who he really is, and where Doubar realizes that having a woman onboard isn't all that bad after all.

Indeed, it's interesting to see how strongly he disagreed with Maeve stirring the ship and how his attitude then changes. But somehow the rest of the ep never really hit a nerve with me.

At any rate I agree with you though - I like a lot that Goz was turned back into a human being and that Rumina didn't see that coming. It showed that her spells could be broken and that she's an enemy that can be defeated.

[Firouz]

I actually like this ep because is showed the power of friendship, brotherhood, and kindness. Sinbad doesn't have any magic according to the show, but he was able to help break the magical spell.

[manche]

Jun 7, 2013 17:16:10 GMT -5 Firouz said:

I actually like this ep because is showed the power of friendship, brotherhood, and kindness. Sinbad doesn't have any magic according to the show, but he was able to help break the magical spell.

This was really amazing. I guess that Rumina did not wait such a resolution of the situation.

[Eleana]

I quite like this episode but it's not on my top episodes.

Things that I like :
- The beginning, when you see the camaraderie... Maeve teasing Doubar and Doubar being quite the gentleman with her.
- A demonstration of how Maeve is capable, yet again, of fending for herself.
- Maeve's connection with Dermott. The fact that you can see clearly for the first time how they are able to communicate with each other and the fact that you learn that Dermott is Maeve's brother. It was very sweet to hear his voice for the fist and, sadly, last time.
- I like how Maeve can find back Sinbad through the link she have with Dermott and how surprised Doubar was when he realized he was wrong not to trust her completely. A thing he realize more and more through the season. Maeve is a very reliable person.
- Rumina and Sinbad's relationship is quite interesting because he genuinely seems intrigued by the witch, in a curious way. They do have a wonderful strange chemistry.
- And of course, I do like the fight between the 2 sorceresses ! How amazing that was. It's great to know that Maeve can defend herself against Rumina and who knows what could have happen if Rumina had not tricked her and make her fall !?
- As ever, the last scene with Sinbad and Maeve is very sweet. I like the fact that she do tell him something about the link the three of them - Maeve, Rumina and Dermott - have but Sinbad can't very catch the meaning of it. For us, it was pretty clear.
[If all Rumina's spells were so easy to break...]

Things I don't like :
- It will surprise you but in a way I don't like that Sinbad was able to help Goz fight the spell. He has no magic and I know that it was probably to show that kindness is a great weapon aka the greatest weapon (this show relied a lot on the power of the heart...)but it's a little too much for me
- ... well can't find anything else for the moment. So probably it wasn't a so bad episode after all

[manche]

All these mentioned scenes were really great. You are right that it is shame that we saw this communication of Maeve with Dermott only in this episode, and I think that Sinbad managed to catch the meaning of this connection during the rest of the season a lot (although I am not sure if he managed to understand it completely).

We can recognize easily that it is one of the first episodes of the whole series. The crew has already started to form into one big family here, some members had to search for their position in the crew (Maeve, Dermott, later also Firouz) or they had to overcome some differences between them (Doubar/Maeve) at first.

I like the resolution of this plot quite; I think that it is better than a long manhunt between Sinbad and Goz which would end the death of Goz. And I like this mentioned strength of kindness, because breaking of this spell was in my opinion the merit of Goz as well as Sinbad. Despite being of an animal, he was able to maintain the aspects of human inside his soul. Sinbad managed to recall them back, but he would not be successful without their presence in the heart of Goz.

[tzigone]

I like this ep. It's the first after the premiere, and we get a feel for how future episodes will go. We also get that Rumina will be a recurring villain and the nature of Maeve and Dermott's relationship is revealed.

So, to start, I think Doubar and Kula are cute. I'm not the only one who thinks so.I mean, everything appears completely platonic (except for her sitting on his lap) and no, and he repeatedly call her "friend" so nothing's going on there. I just think they'd make a nice match; that's all. Was amused how even after getting dropped out of Doubar's lap, she was laughing by time they left. She seems good-natured.

I enjoyed the Doubar/Maeve scene at the beginning. I also really liked how Firouz completely read Doubar's worry for Sinbad in his gruffness and complaining. It adds to the sense of the characters having history, of them having known each other for a while. But Doubar's behavior regarding women at the tiller is a bit strange considering that he's later revealed to have (seemingly) spent extensive time on the same ship as Talia.

We got to hear Dermott's voice - the only time ever. I guess to explicitly spell out the relationship. I liked his voice; why did we never hear it again? Is communicating words more difficult than communicating pictures?

Most of the Sinbad/Rumina scenes are really quite good. I love how discombobulated and out of sorts Sinbad was when she kissed him. He did not expect that at all. It was great. And he is just so not into her. At all. In some moments he seems positively bored by her. Then he tries to play the charm while rejecting her, but is really patronizing. He saw her childishness and pettiness and failed to perceive that just because she's childish and petty doesn't mean she isn't evil and powerful and very dangerous. He was vastly underestimating/misreading her, and I just love his face when she just disintegrated the slave/servant and he was forcefully made aware of that fact.

During the "escape" sequence where Sinbad is trouncing her guards, the look on Rumina's face is great. She looks like "this isn't supposed to happen" - like she is surprised it's not all going according to plan. But then he stops to make a quip in the window her face changes to a self-satisfied "I got this" type of expression and he's all tied up.

Dermott was very easily captured this episode. Actually, every single one of them was easily captured this time. Still, it gave Rumina a card to play against Sinbad. What do you think Sinbad thinks of Dermott at this point? Would he do this for any animal - unlikely. Is it because Dermott is Maeve's pet/companion and it would upset Maeve a lot - probably. The third option is that he's already becoming aware that Dermott is something other than a normal hawk (not necessarily human, but something), and certainly the dialog after Turok's death is a clue that he has.

The fight with Goz is good. Sinbad was going to kill him, but looked at him and, instead of seeing a beast, saw the man cursed by Rumina. Probably via the method that was being used on him. I don't think he'd thought of it as a spell-breaker at the time, but once he committed to that course of action, Sinbad stuck with it, even after Goz yanked him into the hole.

I enjoy the dialog when Maeve is confronting Rumina (even though I think the magical battle is a bit dull). Maeve expected to be rememebered; it was important to her. It was nothing to Rumina. She doesn't even remember Dermott as one of her victims. He wasn't like Goz or any of the other guys she has penned; he didn't matter.

Look at the battle; I've said before I think Maeve is very new to magic, and definitely she ended up on the losing end, but she had the upper hand several times. She has strong attacking power, for all that we don't see her perform nearly the breadth of spells that Rumina does. And she improves by leaps and bounds during the year on the Nomad. I think she must have focused on attack, since her stated goal has always been "kill Rumina."

The closing was nice. Sinbad expresses concern over Rumina becoming a Maeve enemy (interestingly enough, that never really seemed to play out to me; she's still fixated in Sinbad later, but Rumina doesn't seem to regard Maeve any differently than the rest of the crew), and he's curious and asked about the backstory there. But he doesn't seem to regard it as a strategic need to know, but rather a personal curiosity and he easily and gracefully accepts that Maeve is not yet willing to share that information.

I do have a few questions that I think I must have overlooked the answers to when watching the ep and wondered if anyone could help me out?

• Why did Rumina's pool stop showing an image?
• Where did all the servants and guards go? They were just gone after the magic battle. Did she send them away or something?

Anachronism of the week: Kula using the word "grog." I know she just meant "alcohol" but it usually means ship rations with rum, and I think it always includes distilled alcohol. Rum didn't exist until the 17th century and no distilled alcoholic beverages existed (as far as we know) until the 12th century. But the really burning issue: Maeve's only been there a few minutes so why does Kula think her being drunk is the most likely explanation?

[manche]

Feb 26, 2015 20:33:18 GMT -5 tzigone said:

But Doubar's behavior regarding women at the tiller is a bit strange considering that he's later revealed to have (seemingly) spent extensive time on the same ship as Talia.

I think that was not said in The eye of Kratos that they were sailing together in the past, there were mentioned only a few adventures which they experienced together if i remember it correctly. They could experience them on the land. Moreover, he did not have a problem with women on the board in the global scale, only when a woman wanted to take the tiller.

[tzigone]

I think that was not said in The eye of Kratos that they were sailing together in the past, there were mentioned only a few adventures which they experienced together if i remember it correctly. They could experience them on the land. Moreover, he did not have a problem with women on the board in the global scale, only when a woman wanted to take the tiller.

Well, they did specifically mention being prisoner on a ship she was on, but I guess you can say they weren't together on the same ship before. And yes, I know it was technically a tiller thing, but it still feels inconsistent to me. I can't agree with Talia being content with second-class crew status. I mean, you could fanwank to say she was thinking "hey, less work for me" but it doesn't work for me. It's intuitive, when you hear a pirate and sailors had adventures together before (and it seems more than one-off to me) to think at least some of those adventures were on water.

[manche]

Does it remind anyone the scene at the beginning when Maeve was in trance a similar scene from The Griffin's Tale, where was Bryn in a similar state? And I like that Firouz was in the both cases the man who cared about her the most. There together with Rongar, in The Griffin's Tale with Doubar.

[Doubar]

Uh, that's true. I don't think I ever was actively aware of the similarity but it is indeed there. Lovely!