|
|
Post by Doubar on Feb 21, 2015 16:36:47 GMT -5
I must admit, I'm not quite certain about that one. I thought Mal and his father had lived there quite a while before the crew's arrival. Or at least long enough for the people in Basra to have realised that some evil has befallen their city. Because one thing I remember clearly, and that's Yaga saying that Mal was bitten by a werewolf in their home country. Or am I mixing things up now? >.>
|
|
|
|
Post by manche on Feb 21, 2015 16:44:26 GMT -5
Mal talked about the fact that people believe that there appeared an unknown creature and nobody knows from which place it came and that nobody have seen it so far. Also was mentioned that Omar left the city some time ago because of this creature. This description sounds more in the style that this creature was for a longer time in Basra and if Mal really turned into the creature the night before, it could not be him. Maybe I translated something wrongly from the English?
|
|
|
|
Post by banmaixanh on Feb 25, 2015 9:42:35 GMT -5
Indeed, Yaga told Bryn during their private talk that the herbs have burned and the curse goes on. I think burned in this case means they have dried out and obviously in order to work they have to be somewhat fresh. Oh, it's also another way to explain. I always thought the herbs were burned by the fire. Not all of them were burned to ashes but the heat of the fire destroyed them,just like you said made them dry and not usable anymore and the things Firouz found on the 2nd day and show the crew was the burned herbs. The crew coughed because of the dust when Firouz showed them the herbs, I think the dust is the ashes and the dust of the too dried herbs. The main idea of my version is Maeve got injured during the fight in the opening of this ep (the purpose is making her not able to recognize that Yaga is a ghost. She got the headache whenever she tried to find out what was wrong with Yaga). On the night Kulu was killed, Maeve didn't go out with the crew due to her health so she was the first person who faced the werewolf. She attacked the werewolf by her fireball when it tried to kill Sinbad. The result is she broke all of the herbs that could be used to save Doubar latter. When Doubar was bitten by the werewolf Maeve knew what would happen. She didn't tell Sinbad but the way she cared too much about Doubar's wound which Sinbad thought wasn't too serious and the way She tried to find something in her books scared Sinbad. He asked her and she told him the truth. Maeve found out the way to save Doubar by using the herbs Firouz had showed them on the previous day but when they ran back to Kulu's house, tried to find some herbs, they found that all of them was burned and couldn't be used anymore. The fact killed all of their hope. The only thing they could do is keeping their eyes on Doubar when they went out hunting the werewolf, hoping that they could save Doubar before he transformed. But they lost Doubar when they got into the forest and Sinbad found Doubar latter already a werewolf. The crew didn't know the beast that attacked Sinbad was Doubar so Rongar attacked him but Maeve had stopped Rongar before he threw 2nd knife. After Doubar had run into the forest, the crew spend all night to find him to prevent him from killing the innocent people - which they knew Doubar had never wanted to do - but they couldn't find Doubar. Sinbad was exhausted trying to find his brother in the forest and Maeve had to force him to come back to Kulu's house for resting. The next day, Maeve spent all of the time to read her books, hoping she could find something but nothing she found. Sinbad stayed with Maeve all the time until Maeve closed her last book without finding anything, hopelessly he left Maeve's cabin and went to the place we see in the show. Sinbad stood there for a while thinking about his pain before Maeve joined him after trying one more time to find out a way to save Doubar. Sinbad told Maeve he would kill Doubar. Maeve was shocked but Sinbad stopped her before she could say anything. They had no hope. It hurt Maeve as it reminded her of her pain (losing Dermott) and how useless she was as she felt her magic had never been useful. Even she tried too, she couldn't stop the tears from falling. Seeing Maeve cried, Sinbad pulled her in his arms, he too felt something wet in his eyes. But when Sinbad thought they really had no hope, Maeve suddenly remembered her feeling toward Yaga. Maeve knew Yaga had to know something. Maeve and Sinbad ran to Kulu's house to find Yaga was talking with Bryn. They (Maeve, Sinbad, Bryn) asked Yaga about the way to free Doubar and Yaga said only Sinbad could save Doubar. The ending you already know.  When they were on Nomad, Sinbad noticed Maeve looked at Doubar and Dermott with a strange look and he saw something like sadness on her face. Sinbad recalled Maeve's reaction on what happened with Doubar and with Dermott before and he decided to ask Maeve if she had something wanted to tell him. Maeve was surprised. She didn't answer Sinbad's question but armed her look toward Dermott. Sinbad asked Maeve if Dermott was her big brother. Maeve shook her head and replied Dermott was her little brother. Sinbad asked about Rumina and Maeve nodded. Sinbad pulled her in his arms again and promised her that they would find out the way to free Dermott. You can see Maeve and Sinbad seem to be too close already so the answer is Maeve is already Sinbad's girlfriend in my version. |
|
|
|
Post by Doubar on Feb 26, 2015 14:57:06 GMT -5
Ban: Awww, I love this version of events! It's so sweet and actually a whole lot more believable this way. You've got such a brilliant muse there, dear!!  Manche: I just checked on our dubbing and there Yaga tells Bryn that Mal was bitten by the werewolf back in Yaga's country. He must then have moved on and Yaga followed him, hoping to be able to help. But Mal's father didn't believe Yaga until it was too late. When Kulu finally arrived with the needed herbs Mal had already killed and that's where the ep starts.
|
|
|
|
Post by manche on Feb 26, 2015 15:12:58 GMT -5
Thank you, Doubar. So I understood it rightly, it looks as a mistake from the side of our screenwriters.
And I must say, that this alternative version of the episode sounds very lovely and I would wish to read it so much. I only did not completely understand if the rest of the story is the same as events in the episode which means that Bryn was trying to get help from Yaga in the same way as in this episode.
|
|
|
|
Post by banmaixanh on Feb 28, 2015 5:29:40 GMT -5
I only did not completely understand if the rest of the story is the same as events in the episode which means that Bryn was trying to get help from Yaga in the same way as in this episode. Yes, Manche. All other events kept the same in the show. What I wrote is something like missing scenes that the other authors wrote for ss1. The difference is I try to add Maeve into ss2 so I have to re-write some scenes but the events are mainly kept the same include the kisses Sinbad had with some women. In this ep, I let Sinbad and Maeve know about Yaga earlier because at the very first moment of my version Maeve already felt strange about Yaga and because in the show even Yaga told Bryn go to save Doubar he latter told Sinbad only the Sinbad could save Doubar. (I don't know if our dubbing has the same meaning with the original version but it's what I heard.) It's not logical at all to me. He knew only Sinbad could save Doubar but still let Bryn went to forest alone at night. Is it different with killing her? I just can't accept it to happen. Doubar: Thank you. |
|
|
|
Post by manche on Oct 27, 2015 14:39:58 GMT -5
One interesting note - I watched one episode of The Lost World which contained some werewolves and they were very similar in their appearance as in this episode. Maybe The Lost World inspired a little here...  |
|
|
|
Post by manche on Nov 14, 2015 11:19:40 GMT -5
Now I fully understand why you guys seem to be disappointed with Sinbad in this ep.  Before, when I heard you talked about how easy Sinbad decided to kill Doubar I always thought you talked about the scene where Sinbad looked at the sea. Really, because I always have the impression that it was the scene where Sinbad made that painful decision so I've never thought his decision was unreasonable. But I re-watched this ep last night and I was shock when I recognized that it wasn't what you often talk about. Last night was the first time I fully watched this ep. I always avoid to watch the scene where Doubar attacked Sinbad because it's very scary and too dark to me so I'd never seen how fast Sinbad made that decision. Now, I agree with you. Why didn't Sinbad just try to stop Doubar from killing someone and find out the way to save him on next day but decided to kill him that fast? Oh my gosh. I still feel very bad after watching that scene.  By the way, they knew that infected people turn into werewolves only at nights with the full moon. If there was not this "super special 4days-full-moon" (as Doubar wittily called this mistake in one post), they could take him to the ship and they would have whole month for finding of a solution (I do not doubt that Firouz and Bryn would try anything which would be in their power). And when we take into the account that according some episodes the crew has around twenty members, I believe that they would be able to secure Doubar during the night with the full moon for his own safety and for the safety of all others as well. The second day Doubar would return to his true self and they would have a next month for finding cure. |
|
|
|
Post by Doubar on Nov 14, 2015 12:19:58 GMT -5
One interesting note - I watched one episode of The Lost World which contained some werewolves and they were very similar in their appearance as in this episode. Maybe The Lost World inspired a little here... Haha, I didn't know! But yeah, maybe tehy got a bit inspired by the Lost World there... xD I agree with you though, Manche. It would seem, all they needed to do was capture Doubar and restrain him for his own good. No easy task for sure, but you'd think they would all be willing to take the risk if that meant saving him (or at least gaining time to find a solution).
and because in the show even Yaga told Bryn go to save Doubar he latter told Sinbad only the Sinbad could save Doubar. (I don't know if our dubbing has the same meaning with the original version but it's what I heard.) It's not logical at all to me. He knew only Sinbad could save Doubar but still let Bryn went to forest alone at night. Is it different with killing her? I just can't accept it to happen. No, it's the same in the original, too. Yaga doesn't specifically tell Bryn to run after Doubar but when Bryn is willing to try he supports her and tells her her powers and her pure heart might just be enough. Shortly after though he tells Sinbad that he is the only one who can save the first mate and that feels wrong. I try and justify it by thinking that Yaga knew of how determined Sinbad was to kill Doubar so in order to distract Sinbad from this plan he sent Bryn out into the woods albeit knowing she would likely perish there. But because of that Sinbad had to thwart his plans and instead of going on a hunt had to run after Bryn - which meant he came face to face with Doubar while being in an emotional status. It sounds a bit like a weird plan, but it's the only explanation I can come up with. Everything else would indeed mean that either: 1) Yaga was sending Bryn to her death (which makes no sense). 2) Yaga realised only after Bryn had gone that she wouldn't be enough. But in this case it, again, seems wrong that he tells Sinbad of what happened in such a calm manner. |
|
|
|
Post by manche on Nov 14, 2015 12:55:35 GMT -5
Yes, it would not be easy, but they would have enough time to make all possible safety measures. They could tie him in a closed section of the ship, the whole crew would take garlic during the full moon, the bigger part of the crew could guard him, Firouz could create a potion which would put him to sleep during his transformation or Bryn could do a spell with a similar effect. Maybe there still would be some risk but it would be very limited and I can imagine that the crew would accept this limited risk for the possibility to save their dear first mate. and because in the show even Yaga told Bryn go to save Doubar he latter told Sinbad only the Sinbad could save Doubar. (I don't know if our dubbing has the same meaning with the original version but it's what I heard.) It's not logical at all to me. He knew only Sinbad could save Doubar but still let Bryn went to forest alone at night. Is it different with killing her? I just can't accept it to happen. No, it's the same in the original, too. Yaga doesn't specifically tell Bryn to run after Doubar but when Bryn is willing to try he supports her and tells her her powers and her pure heart might just be enough. Shortly after though he tells Sinbad that he is the only one who can save the first mate and that feels wrong. I try and justify it by thinking that Yaga knew of how determined Sinbad was to kill Doubar so in order to distract Sinbad from this plan he sent Bryn out into the woods albeit knowing she would likely perish there. But because of that Sinbad had to thwart his plans and instead of going on a hunt had to run after Bryn - which meant he came face to face with Doubar while being in an emotional status. It sounds a bit like a weird plan, but it's the only explanation I can come up with. Everything else would indeed mean that either: 1) Yaga was sending Bryn to her death (which makes no sense). 2) Yaga realised only after Bryn had gone that she wouldn't be enough. But in this case it, again, seems wrong that he tells Sinbad of what happened in such a calm manner. I agree and I also think that when Yaga told Sinbad about Bryn searching for Doubar, he said that Doubar is the only one who can save himself. It is quite confusing, do not you think? But maybe he really believed that Bryn is capable of saving Doubar at first, but he realized later that she is not. Maybe he was so calm because as a ghost was not able to express some emotions? The thought that he would send Bryn to death would be absolute nonsense. Your theory gives a certain sense into this strange situation, dear Doubar. |
|
|
|
Post by manche on Nov 16, 2015 9:22:56 GMT -5
By the way, why the people who were killed by werewolves should be buried before the nightfall with garlic around their necks (according Yaga's instructions)? Would they return back from death as zombie-werewolves?
|
|
|
|
Post by manche on Nov 29, 2015 15:30:27 GMT -5
I do not remember, was Sinbad able to save Doubar thanks their brotherly bond or because he was a channeler? I mean if there was Firouz instead of Doubar for example, would Sinbad be able to save him as well or he would fail?
|
|
|
|
Post by manche on Jan 13, 2016 9:48:45 GMT -5
As for Omar... I must admit I don't know. Did they really say he fled the town? O.o That is unlike him indeed. He faced the Bully - how are we to believe he was scared of this creature and left his poeple to die? Doesn't make sense at all. I was thinking about this. I do not know if it was in a dubbing but it was only said that "Omar has been away for month." in the original. How we can know that his absence was because he fled before the creature (as it was written in the first post)? He could travel to some of his colonies for example because there was a problem (we saw that he did it in the first season) or something else and this creature could appear there during his absence. He could not be aware of this situation (how would they inform him about this, send a ship with the message?) or he could be on the way back to help his city. Albetta could only be a temporary deputy during his absence. By the way, how does the structure of city government precisely work? Omar is a ruler but he is subordinate of the Caliph of Bagdad. Albetta called himself as the mayor of the city. Does it mean that Omar is a sort of the mayor as well when he is in the city or he is the ruler and he has the mayor who works under him? |
|
|
|
Post by Doubar on Jan 21, 2016 16:10:17 GMT -5
By the way, why the people who were killed by werewolves should be buried before the nightfall with garlic around their necks (according Yaga's instructions)? Would they return back from death as zombie-werewolves? Honestly? I have no idea at all. If I had to make a guess though, I say because it sounds cool and important.  As for why Sinbad was able to save Doubar: Personally, I think it was a mix of both. Sinbad certainly is a chaneller of good but it was through their bond of brotherhood that he could first reach out to Doubar. Something like the spark that lights the fire. Last but not least: Omar and Albetta. My theory is that Basra as a place to rule over is much larger than just the city itself. The same exists here: we have larger cities that also function as regional areas. Within those there may be smaller towns or villages that have their own mayors but which ultimately are affected by is decided at the top. And since Albetta obviously is the mayor of Basra City (or probably just the core of it) he would function as Omar's debuty. Or at least, that's how I imagine things to be. And this, in fact, sounds much more likely and in-character for Omar. |
|
|
|
Post by manche on Jan 21, 2016 17:47:37 GMT -5
By the way, why the people who were killed by werewolves should be buried before the nightfall with garlic around their necks (according Yaga's instructions)? Would they return back from death as zombie-werewolves? Yeah, you are probably right. Next few people died later who were killed by the werewolf and the "original" werewolf as well and this was not mentioned again. Yaga even told Bryn later that people can die during the attack or they become werewolves themselves after that - nothing between these two options. It makes good sense, dear Doubar. I only would be really curious if he managed to save a different crewmember in the same situation or if he failed. For example, Firouz stayed with the body of Kulu alone in the empty house, only with the spirit of Yaga. He could be a victim of the curse very easily, if the werewolf decided to return back. I do not know if Yaga would be able to protect him. Yes, it could be the explanation. A good idea, Doubar. Albetta looked as the good mayor, similarly as Omar was the good ruler. He was not afraid to face this creature and tried to actively participate in the elimination of the threat which endangered his city. Some mayors would only send some soldiers to destroy this creature and they would be hidden somewhere in safety until the creature would not be dead. Albetta certainly was not such a case. Yes, and I will stick to the original in this case because there was only mentioned that Omar is not in the city, without any further explanation why. I can not verify our dubbing; it is not available for this episode and probably never will be. I simply do not want him to be a coward. |
|
When they were on Nomad, Sinbad noticed Maeve looked at Doubar and Dermott with a strange look and he saw something like sadness on her face. Sinbad recalled Maeve's reaction on what happened with Doubar and with Dermott before and he decided to ask Maeve if she had something wanted to tell him. Maeve was surprised. She didn't answer Sinbad's question but armed her look toward Dermott. Sinbad asked Maeve if Dermott was her big brother. Maeve shook her head and replied Dermott was her little brother. Sinbad asked about Rumina and Maeve nodded. Sinbad pulled her in his arms again and promised her that they would find out the way to free Dermott. 
Before, when I heard you talked about how easy Sinbad decided to kill Doubar I always thought you talked about the scene where Sinbad looked at the sea. Really, because I always have the impression that it was the scene where Sinbad made that painful decision so I've never thought his decision was unreasonable. But I re-watched this ep last night and I was shock when I recognized that it wasn't what you often talk about. Last night was the first time I fully watched this ep. I always avoid to watch the scene where Doubar attacked Sinbad because it's very scary and too dark to me so I'd never seen how fast Sinbad made that decision. Now, I agree with you. Why didn't Sinbad just try to stop Doubar from killing someone and find out the way to save him on next day but decided to kill him that fast? Oh my gosh. I still feel very bad after watching that scene. 
