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Post by Doubar on Jul 24, 2013 14:10:42 GMT -5
Ahm, "Beast of the Dark" would come to mind since there was only Mutaro and his monster. But apart from that one... No, there can't have been many. xP
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Post by manche on Jul 24, 2013 14:15:21 GMT -5
In the Beast of Within also was not any fight if I remember it correctly.
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Post by Doubar on Jul 24, 2013 14:16:34 GMT -5
Oh, you're right about that. The only fight that occured there was between Sinbad/Goz and Maeve/Rumina.  |
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Post by manche on Jul 24, 2013 14:18:54 GMT -5
And we can count the fight between the crew and Admir in the return of Sinbad?
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Post by manche on Jul 24, 2013 14:19:52 GMT -5
Ahm, "Beast of the Dark" would come to mind since there was only Mutaro and his monster. But apart from that one... No, there can't have been many. xP And in this episode was the fight between Sinbad and the annoying crewman (Belkor from the Village Vanishes) |
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Post by banmaixanh on Oct 27, 2014 10:07:16 GMT -5
Now I fully understand why you guys seem to be disappointed with Sinbad in this ep.  Before, when I heard you talked about how easy Sinbad decided to kill Doubar I always thought you talked about the scene where Sinbad looked at the sea. Really, because I always have the impression that it was the scene where Sinbad made that painful decision so I've never thought his decision was unreasonable. But I re-watched this ep last night and I was shock when I recognized that it wasn't what you often talk about. Last night was the first time I fully watched this ep. I always avoid to watch the scene where Doubar attacked Sinbad because it's very scary and too dark to me so I'd never seen how fast Sinbad made that decision. Now, I agree with you. Why didn't Sinbad just try to stop Doubar from killing someone and find out the way to save him on next day but decided to kill him that fast? Oh my gosh. I still feel very bad after watching that scene.  |
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Post by Doubar on Oct 27, 2014 12:56:54 GMT -5
Yeah, it's kind of disappointing isn't it? Just how quickly Sinbad gave up and didn't even search for any other solution. No wonder Yaga sent Bryn after the first mate. I'm sorry you still feel bad now. And if it weren't for the beautiful Bryn-Doubar subplot I guess I wouldn't even have watched that ep as often as I did. |
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Post by manche on Oct 27, 2014 13:22:39 GMT -5
Yes, Sinbad definitely gave it up too easily; I would never expect something like this from his side. Maybe if he decided after the scene where he was standing and watching the ocean, we could believe that he made such a hard decision after long thinking and inner struggle, but he made this decision without any thinking a few minutes later when he recognized what happened to his brother. I would not have believed that he would decide to kill Firouz or Rongar if they were bitten by the werewolf instead of Doubar and in the case of his brother it looks even more oddly. (Or if it was Maeve? Or Bryn? Would he decide in the same way?)
And Firouz and Rongar were not better in this case. And the Firouz's approach was very surprising, I would expect by him searching for all possible scientific and medical solutions, he would be the most qualified person for this task from the whole crew (alongside Bryn). And I do not remember it precisely, but did not Rongar try to kill Doubar as well in the scene when he attacked Sinbad? I think that these knives were not aimed only into a shoulder, but I am not sure now. (But maybe he did not recognize Doubar at first and he was afraid of the life of Sinbad)
The line of Bryn and Doubar was really the strongest point of the whole episode. I talked a lot of about Bryn, so George's acting was great in this episode. He greatly captured how frustrate and angry Doubar was when he realized what happened to him, how he can unintentionally hurt people around him, even the most beloved. He would be willing to sacrifice himself for their protection.
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Post by Doubar on Oct 30, 2014 14:25:31 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with you. It was odd to say the least how not only Sinbad but the whole crew, save Bryn, gave up so easily. I mean, wasn't that one of the things that defined this crew: that they tried everything to protect one another. But here there was no obvious struggle, just the pain over the desicion that had been made. Somehow this is really out of character for everyone though I suppose no matter who would have fallen victim to the curse, the writing would have made everyone but Bryn give up. She was able to shine, but then she wasn't even granted being the hero. I guess, in some way I can understand what made them create the story line like this, but it just doesn't do justice to who these people are. Oh, now that is definitely true! And I love this sailor for it. He's such a big teddy bear at heart! Though admittedly, I think nearly everyone of the crew would have acted likewise. Because none of them could bear to kill innocent people, or their family and friends. *hugs to them all* |
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Post by manche on Oct 30, 2014 15:24:23 GMT -5
I agree with you, a screenwriter probably needed to write this episode in a similar way and he did not care that almost all characters are out of them. And Bryn would definitely deserve to be a hero in this case.
And yeah, everyone from the crew would have probably acted similarly in the position of Doubar and he would have tried to protect his beloved this way.
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Post by manche on Feb 19, 2015 5:23:15 GMT -5
I like this episode as I mentioned before but I realized a very strange thing, probably a serious mistake in the script of this episode a few days ago.
When Doubar was bitten by the werewolf why they did not try to use these herbs which were in the cargo of Kulu for his curing? It was explicitly stated by Yaga and Firouz that if these herbs are administrated to a victim the night before the first full moon he can be rescued. Yaga and Kulu planned to use them for curing of Mal, but they arrived too late, but the cargo was still there when Doubar was infected, I am right? Firouz probably did not have suspicion that Doubar turns into the werewolf, but Yaga certainly knew it before. I understand that they wanted to write this plot in this way, but they could try it at least without effect and say something in the style "It looks that this legend was wrong, It does not help at all." Or it was explained in a way and I only did not notice it there?
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Post by banmaixanh on Feb 21, 2015 13:39:02 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned later in the talk between Yaga and Bryn that the herbs was burned on the night Kulu was killed but don't remember if it's correct. But I agree with you about the problem that the crew didn't try with the herbs. Maybe none of them knew that Doubar would be cursed after being bitten by a werewolf but Yaga should have known and he should have had a try. I can understand that all the herbs was burned but still it's better they tried to do something. In my fanfic I did correct all of these things. In my fic, the herbs was burned by Maeve's fireball when she was attacked by the werewolf and Sinbad only decided to kill Doubar after knowing that there was no hope. I also added a little tears to the fic. This ep has a very nice theme about brotherhood, friendship and love also but the producers didn't make it well enough. |
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Post by manche on Feb 21, 2015 14:36:07 GMT -5
I think that all herbs could not be destroyed during the fire, Firouz found something from them in this cargo and he showed it to the rest of the crew, Yaga and the mayor Albetta the second day after that when he mentioned his theory about the werewolf for the first time. Maybe the bigger part of these herbs was destroyed and the rest of them were not sufficient for the curing? But you are right, Yaga talked about burning of those herbs with Bryn. And I think that Yaga was the only one who knew what happens with Doubar before the transformation.
Oh, this your version sounds very interestingly and I would like to read it. I agree that the theme of brotherhood was nice (although I would welcome even more the version that the memories of his great life as a member of this crew would help him overcome this curse, the moments of friendship not only with Sinbad, but also with Firouz, Rongar, Maeve, Bryn...), the memories which were chosen were great, but I agree, mainly for the Sinbad's attitude I do not consider it to be so greatly done in this episode.
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Post by Doubar on Feb 21, 2015 14:38:50 GMT -5
Indeed, Yaga told Bryn during their private talk that the herbs have burned and the curse goes on. I think burned in this case means they have dried out and obviously in order to work they have to be somewhat fresh. Anyhow, I agree with you two. It would have made sense for them to at least try. But then again, since Yaga was a supernatural being at the time we can assume he knew it wouldn't work anymore?
Ban: Aw, I wish I could read your version of this ep. It sounds awesome! <3
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Post by manche on Feb 21, 2015 14:49:29 GMT -5
Indeed, Yaga told Bryn during their private talk that the herbs have burned and the curse goes on. I think burned in this case means they have dried out and obviously in order to work they have to be somewhat fresh. Anyhow, I agree with you two. It would have made sense for them to at least try. But then again, since Yaga was a supernatural being at the time we can assume he knew it wouldn't work anymore? Ban: Aw, I wish I could read your version of this ep. It sounds awesome! <3 Oh, interesting. I thought that they were destroyed by the fire but this thing with their freshness makes better sense, Doubar. And Yaga who had such much experience with these things how was mentioned by Kulu could know that it will not work. And one more question, it was said there that Mal became werewolf the night before the arrival of the crew, but according him and the behaviour of the people in Basra the creature started to appear before this night. Maybe there was the original werewolf who bitten Mal at first and Mal killed him when he became the werewolf himself? It was not mentioned there, but I think that could be a reasonable explanation, do you agree? |
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Before, when I heard you talked about how easy Sinbad decided to kill Doubar I always thought you talked about the scene where Sinbad looked at the sea. Really, because I always have the impression that it was the scene where Sinbad made that painful decision so I've never thought his decision was unreasonable. But I re-watched this ep last night and I was shock when I recognized that it wasn't what you often talk about. Last night was the first time I fully watched this ep. I always avoid to watch the scene where Doubar attacked Sinbad because it's very scary and too dark to me so I'd never seen how fast Sinbad made that decision. Now, I agree with you. Why didn't Sinbad just try to stop Doubar from killing someone and find out the way to save him on next day but decided to kill him that fast? Oh my gosh. I still feel very bad after watching that scene. 
