Baddie coordination :)

[Sinbad]

All right, I thought this thread might be a good idea away from the general plotting and thoughts about the story since as we all know there is a shortage of baddie characters on here, BUT fortunately there are quite some ideas for characters around that I think should be traded and discussed because they have a lot of potential in them.

Sooo, here we go, let´s open the discussion. Ash and Teti and anyone else who has ideas, post them here and let´s get it rolling

[Eric/Deamus]

Wow, that's great idea Sinbad thanks so much for making things easier, and allowing me to share it with everyone

So guys, my chara idea is simple, here it is :


She is in fact Turok sister, evil witch as anyone can deduce it, but was away from the events of the show,,, my theory that when she knew about her brother death she waited from her niece some severe reactions, a revenge what Rumina really tried to do but failed so many times as you already know,,, by the end of S1 and the great failure Rumina got, her aunt had enough with her childish and irresponsible actions – I mean her useless tricks according to her aunt consideration- not to mention what make her more angry that her niece sometimes didn’t consider the death of her father as she was following her father killer/Sinbad as she wanted to get his attention and love not to kill him,,, all of these made her to take her decision to interfere by herself in the events and to take her brother revenge by herself,,,,, (all I mentioned is the witch thoughts)
In the beginning of S2 probably she started to put her plan in action,,,, a plan that’ll take a long time to get result,,,, the advantage this old evil witch got is that nobody already know about her existence,,, that Turok had a sister who is witch as well,,,, she had plenty of time too she wasn’t in rush to get her revenge, now she’ll take her time to think, plan & act carefully, as a snake she was –alike her niece, doesn’t look for the appearance and her shiny and glossy show- she planed to keep everyone to not knowing her real identity, her plan was essentially to kill her brother killers who are in her mind Sinbad with his crew and the Calipha with his son,,,, and to accomplish her brother previous plan to get the thrown of Baghdad as a start to own all the east world, however it wasn’t her own intention –she didn’t want it before, as she already had her life and her own interest- but her anger for his loss made her determined to accomplish his goal.
Her plan was to head first to the Calipha, and making herself kinda younger,,, meet him and trick him,,, as we know he was isolating himself after his wife death in start of S1, then he decided to return back to social and work life as he realized his son’s actions which had been improved by the first 2 eps in the show,, after his return and the witch involve herself in his life by some of her tricks, she got him to love her and he decided to marry her, he is an old man after all wanted to leave the throne to his son even if not officially –the Calipha name remained as it is- and live a peaceful life with his new wife away of troubles,,, she succeeded in the 1st step and married him, 2nd step was to kill him but without anyone suspecting it was a murder,, she cursed him to be like sick and die slowly, no physian could know what he was suffering until he died really,,, then 3rd step is to get rid of prince Casib who should now take his father place officially during 3 days ,,, after them if he didn’t show up or accept the position he would be deprived of,,, she curse him too but didn’t kill him, as she wanted him to suffer and to attract Sinbad to trap she prepared it for him,,, it was the curse used by Rumina on Dermott, she transformed him into animal and planed to take the throne officially as she is the only heir remained as she was sure no body could save the prince nor undo her spell at least in the right time,,,,,,,, now Sinbad got to know about everything as princess Atena called for him and his help, she run away to Basra to search him which was expected by the witch and she let her do it to bring Sinbad now to the trap prepared to him –her 4th and last step-.
As conclusion, the timeline goes like this :
-During S1 she waited her niece actions and revenge but with no success.
-After the last ep of S1 she was sure that her niece won’t success in any way by her irresponsibility, and she decided to take the revenge herself.
-Between the 2 seasons she made her plan.
-During S2 she put her plan in action and even succeeded in 3 steps and waited for the fourth,, married the Caliph, killed him, cursed the prince, waited for Sinbad,,

Now this was the chara, she may be involved in only one adventure of Sinbad –which I recommend- or Sinbad couldn’t kill her in the end of the adventure and so he'll get another enemy who’ll still after him as Rumina. And of course there still the exact time when we can involve her in action in the play,,, for these two reason I suggest it to be npc until we decided the time and the duration of chara,

the ava,
the old one before meeting the Caliph and put her plan in action







and while using magic:







while when she looked younger (starting her plan ) -which is Tryn in the new show of Sinbad, the evil witch, -









About her name I propose Xylina or Yalda,,, but I’m open for suggestions because I don’t like any of them.

We should know that the witch is not working with Rumina -as most of the time the evil aunt wouldn’t like to be in touch with her nor meet her, as she is SO angry of her due to her irresponsibility towards taking revenge of her father and her childish ways as well as her crush on her father killer,,,, may be she ‘ll meet her once just to tell her that and both will compete to kill Sinbad each by her own way,,,, but still not sure about that,,,,- and would never accept help from Scratch as well –for 2 reasons first her pride (she is very strong witch by herself and won't ask from help from anyone so won't need him as her niece did ) and second for she already know the ugly truth of him and his tricks so she will never trust him (as shown in last ep in S1 Turok hated Scratch and would prefer his daughter wouldn’t deal with him) ,,,-
so now we had different evil sides fighting Sinbad in same time each by his own way : Rumina with Scratch,,, Turok (I still don’t know how is involved in the rpg) -but the witch/his sister won’t work with him because simply she doesn’t know that he is back to life or she wouldn’t involve herself in the whole story,,, but if you like the chara after her involvement in action and everyone see that she can remain in more than one adventure her goal will be now her revenge for her pride not her brother -after her realize that he still alive somehow- as Sinbad defeated her.

So what do you think guys?

[Doubar]

Great idea for a thread there, Captain.

@teti: Giving this a proper read later (though I already know most of the story, yay ^^) but I just have to say how amazingly similar these two sorceresses look! O.o The make-up and clothing... it almost makes me think it cannot be just coincidence that they look so much alike. Astounding! And btw a great choice for a baddie. ;D

[Eric/Deamus]

@doubs,

@teti: Giving this a proper read later (though I already know most of the story, yay ^^)

yeahhh you know it ;D ;D ;D

but I just have to say how amazingly similar these two sorceresses look! O.o The make-up and clothing... it almost makes me think it cannot be just coincidence that they look so much alike. Astounding! And btw a great choice for a baddie. ;D

Yeah actually i noticed it too,,, that's why i think of Taryn to involve her once i saw her she reminds me of the old witch instantly
before watching her, i was thinking would the witch make herself younger or not,, i wasn't sure,, but after i saw Taryn i make my decision it's her,,, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D yesah she should look younger like this,, that will make it easier to trick the Caliph
i'm amazed by this similarity too,,, may be the producers saw the old actress in the old movie and were inspired by her appearence,, don't know,,, but anyway it just comes to our benefit right ? ;D ;D ;D

[Ashven]

Okay I'm awake. Lol Cadius will be starting out as a simple merchant though he has dreams and asperations to be much more. He craves wealth and power (don't they all?) and is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve much lofty goals. (If you've ever seen the Dungeons & Dragons film they did years ago you can see why I'd pick Jeremy Irons to represent the character.)

One of his personal, hired thugs happens to be the guy who, at this point, holds Ashven's kinstone. Cadius, being a traveling merchant, has heard whispers of the legends behind Djinn of Ashven's kind. This is the exchange I would actually open a thread for but would consist soley of the goings on between Cadius, Ashven, and tbe variius npcs that will only apoear in the one thread or only appear around Cadius.

During such a thread we would also get to meet, if briefly, another Djinn like Ashven. In fact Rahven is a Djinn that even Ashven hates. Just to make things worse they're brothers. XP

Long story short what do you think you'd be dealing with when you have a rather psychotic power hungry man backed up by a Djinn?

[Doubar]

Aug 18, 2012 10:26:19 GMT -5 Eric/Deamus said:

yeahhh you know it ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D

And as for Taryn: actually I highly suspect they have seen that movie and liked the style of this sorceress. I mean, the similarities in look are just remarkable. O.o And thus Taryn perfect for this scenario. ;D

@ash:

Long story short what do you think you'd be dealing with when you have a rather psychotic power hungry man backed up by a Djinn?

A major kind of trouble... ? >_>

Nha, seriously, that sounds great as well.

[MJ]

I really like Tetis plan!

Ashven: But aren't you afraid the Djin is going to mean the end of his master? Isn't that what Djin are famous for? Fulfilling wishes in such a way that the one who wished for it actually suffers? Then Sinbad is more likely to have to rescue Power-Hungry Cadius from you... Which could be fun actually-> Cadius attacks Sinbad but eventually needs rescue from Sinbad.

I also had a thought: What if Rumina does her animal spell in reverse? What if she takes a rat and makes him into a man? The rat manages to get himself hired onto the Nomad and proceeds to try and seed dissent among the crew, taking things they actually said but ripping them out of context and starting rumours. He would obviously hate cats and be the first off the ship when there's trouble. His ultimate plan would be to lead them to Rumina or to Turok's sister if Tetis plan goes through- while the crew is unhappy with each other and therefor weakened...

[Ashven]

@ mj

That's the beauty of it. While normally that would be the case, the hitch is Ashven's kinstone being in Cadius' possesion. Ash can't risk destroying his stone as it would also kill him. My plan with his brother's appearance will further aggrivate the situation.

[Eric/Deamus]

@doubs,

And as for Taryn: actually I highly suspect they have seen that movie and liked the style of this sorceress. I mean, the similarities in look are just remarkable. O.o And thus Taryn perfect for this scenario. ;D

yeah, may be they watched the movie, after all it is Sinbad movie too, so it's expected from them to watch it before working on the new series
and yeahhhhhh about Taryn ;D ;D ;D i think so too ;D ;D
i'm glad you find her matching with the scenario

@ash,
Aww your chara sound interesting Ash,, and the story that will engage him with Ashven is interesting too i like the whole,
and now Ashven would meet his brother who looks like to be his enemy ;D ;D that's exciting yeah as Doubs said great ideas of yours

MJ,
wow you got a point here ,, the reversible curse,,, and your idea also is great one ,, that one of the spy,, actually i still don't have exact prepared plans yet for the witch against Sinbad, but i agree of course yours can be involved perfectly,,
and i like his fear of his natural enemy/predator,,, this should attract the crew attention which will make they suspect him, like it
thanks so much for sharing it with us MJ

[Doubar]

Alright, so maybe as for a better review on all those interesting ideas voiced here:

@Teti: I know I said so before, but I really like the idea you had there. And with sperating her from Rumina so much - by saying she doesn't think too highly of her niece who failed to avenge Turok - it would also be very well possible to introduce her. Furthermore, since she obviously had lived her own life before the whole incident, it sounds sensible that she has never been an issue before. Only now that Turok's dead and Rumina not been too successful she chooses to interfer. A pretty interesting thought really.
I only wonder if she would know about Bryn then? Or do we have to assume that the dark family didn't see each other too often so that maybe she had last seen Bryn when she was a child still? But if so, would she recongize the magic within the brunette then? I'm just asking this because our Rumina did already have a plan concerning the revelation of Bryn's real identitiy, however as she hasn't been around for so long ( ) I guess it would be fair enough if we had another possible scenario in stock for this.

All in all a great idea that would for sure be lovely to play out. ^^

Oh, and I agree with you - it's very well possible they watched the old movies and just liked that witch. In any case it comes in most handy for us. Hehe. ;D

@Ash: Wow, so you would even introduce Rahven. Awesome. Though I agree, it would be a fair amount of npcs you'd need - which isn't a problem at all since I guess we can invent as many npcs as we see necessary. ^^ Only problem I see is that, if I got that right, for a start you'd have to write that whole thing yourself. I mean, the story of Cadius getting the kin stone, Ash getting summoned, meeting Rahven and all this... It certainly is no problem with me and if you're up to writing this little story then YAY, it just had me wondering if that's really what you wanted.

At any rate though, Cadius sounds like a great addition to our very small cast of baddies. Power hungry as he is, and freshly furnished with a Djin he should be most fascinating to have in the play. All the more since Ash surely will be trying to brake free and get hold of his kinstone, or won't he?

@MJ: Awesome idea there! Though I guess that rat would have to be equipped with a spell then or anything magical to plant the seed of mistrust within the crew. Because I couldn't imagine how a new sailor would be capable of ripping the crew apart. I don't think any of the crew would trust a new deckhand who's spreading rumours of such kind. But assuming his master lay some further spells on him, this works perfectly well. And is most fascinating in the regard of team spirit.

In general: That makes me think of an idea I once had and which I thought could be quite nice. Back then it was related to Scratch and covered another trap the devil could set up for the crew, but basically it could be made by anyone powerful enough.
The idea covered a maze the crew gets lurred into and where they get seperated by whatever means we can think of. Now, thing would be that in this maze they would encounter illusions - illusions of such kind that they would have to face a certain kind of doubt each of them holds deep within. But let me explain with examples:
Sinbad for example would encounter the illusion of a Doubar who'd accuse him of having stolen his life from him (as he had to take care of the younger one, and ended up as first mate only while maybe he could have had his own ship did he not have to watch over his sibling). Doubar again would encounter a 'Sinbad' who'd tell him that he's nothing but annoyed by the older one mother henning him; who'd say that he never much cared for the other one and only took him to be first mate because he pitied him.
That'd be the scheme of things. Maeve would encounter a Dermott who accuses his sister for being responsible for his fate, while Dermott would face a Maeve who is tired of chasing after Rumina only because of the bird. Rongar and Firouz would have some issues too (with the moor being tired of Firouz and thinking he'd do much better without him, and Firouz telling Rongar he never valued the other one's help and stuff) and Bryn would have to face her dark side.

Those who read Rongar's fic might see some parallels to the trials she set for the crew in it, and truth be spoken I cannot recall whether I felt inspired by it or had the idea beforehand even. Whatever the case, I mainly liked the thought because this way each of us would have the opportunity to play the bad version of our characters - or even another crew member - for once. And I thought this might be fun. ;D

Anyhow, yeah, that was the idea. But I dismissed it after the play got kinda stuck and now that Scratch gave up playing it seemed like a futile thing to talk about. Still, as we are gathering ideas here I thought I'd throw mine in, too. ^^

[Eric/Deamus]

@doubie

yeah i know that the idea of her not wanting to meet her niece nor dealing with Scratch will overcome the temporary absence of Rumi player -wish she return back so soon - and the absence of Scratch player as well,,
however i think we may handle Scratch related other chara or events by making him npc TEMPORARILY just to solve the hanging issues/chara, until we find new player,,, well it's only a suggestion to make the play go on,,

I only wonder if she would know about Bryn then?

yeahhhhhh she will recognize her ;D ;D ;D
at first she'll feel happy to find her lost niece, as it seems that Bryn was so beloved by her family at least her father and aunt,,, and it seems too that their family is kinda interrelated and self caring -as we saw how much Turok loved Rumi,,, and here the witch loving her brother to avenge him, it's only Rumi doing what make her mad of her- and to find someone who can help her easily without touching her pride she is like her daughter and no pride between mother and daughter
well first she will ask her to join her and to kill Sinbad and the crew -killer of her father- (may this will happen on front of everyone so everyone will know now her identity or in privacy between only the witch and a confused Bryn) now this will be a real challenge to Bryn -especially if in front of everyone- that she has to prove her real loyality to which side INSTANTLY and result as you know she'll choose Sinbad/the good side instantly while fighting her internal desire to know more about her real family,,, but her love to good and to the crew will vanquish her wish to regain memory,,,, and the witch will be shocked by this reaction,, she'll leave without understanding why her niece acted like that,,, but for some reason she'll excuse her -considering that Sinbad saved her life so she should be loyal to him, and her lost memory also affect her - so she won't give up with her for now,, she'll try again that was her decision, she'll kill everyone but not her -after all after further searching she'll know Bryn has nothing to do with her father's death she wasn't with the crew even then.
i'm not sure but Bryn may afterward get benefit of this and try to trick her aunt by telling her that she changed her mind and want to join back her/ her real family, and that's only to discover her evil plans and destroy them before harming the crew,,,,, but i'm not sure of this,,,, i mean it's up to our Bryn to decide such a thing

All in all a great idea that would for sure be lovely to play out. ^^

thanks however i didn't think yet of her plans for Sinbad but as a start i may think of simple poisons in their drink when she met them in her old shape that Atena doesn't know, but one of the crewmates died of the drink first so Sinbad knew it's poisned, they stopped drinking and the witch retreat for while to get ready again to plan B which i didn't think about yet but as for preparation for it ....... well she 'll apply both your idea and MJ's one,,, it's mentioned in details downward

In any case it comes in most handy for us. Hehe. ;D

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About the idea of illusions,,,, i like it too
Yay, i remember some parallel fiction i read before but i don't think you should dismiss it it would be lovely of course if Scratch was the one after it, but this doesn't mean that he be the only one who may think about it , i mean we still have Rumi and Turok,,, and even if Rumi is not online now, we may make the evil witch think about this idea,,, i find it as one possible good plan of hers
and we may link your idea with that one of MJ ;D ;D ;D ;D
so we say that the old witch send this creature in human shape to work onboard (join the crew instead of the poisoned one) or may be taken shape of some known small crew mate that she prevented to return back onboard,,,, and her creature main goal was to separate between crew members to make it easy for her to defeat each of them alone easily,,,,
how he did it? well by putting some magical potion given to him by the witch onto the crew food so after everyone eat of this food, they got the illusions (your idea will take place) ;D ;D ;D ;D
so what do you think?

[Ashven]

@doubar

I've had some similar ideas relating to some obsticals anyone would have to deal with if they were tryng to get to Cadius later in the game.. Even borrowing from Kid Icarus the idea of a mirror that can make a "dark" version of anyone who looks into it.

I've had an idea for a labyrinth of illusions as well as it fits right into what a Djinn like Ash or Rahven would conjure up.

So many ideas so little time lol.

As for writing it all out, I don't mind really. Might take a few days to complete but I could manage it well enough. There's little to do atm RP wise till Thea is able to come around again.

[Eric/Deamus]

Guys i need help in names,,,,, i'm really bad about names,, can anyone help me and suggest a name for the evil aunt,, name sound oldy ,, and somehow Arabian or Greek like Rumina,, and kinda evil ,,,,,, i'm real so hopeless about names

[Doubar]

Hmmm, I like picking names. ;D I shall try and see what I can do once I find a little time. D'uh, and I shall also reply to your and Ash's post somewhen these days. *fail* x)

[Ashven]

I can see what names I can pluck outta the air... I'm pretty good at making up names for my characters. (aside from Ash... His name came with him. XP )

Here's a few random ones. Supposedly with what the name means.

Fahima - Acute of understanding
Dima - Blood, Life
Alozza - The Powerful
Aqila - Intelegent. Matchless pearl
Araffa - Diviner

Can't go through all of them but I get a lot of character names from here...

www.2000-names.com

Sometimes using what they have and sometimes taking one I like and altering it.