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Post by manche on May 17, 2014 10:30:04 GMT -5
I consider this episode to be one of the worst of the whole tv series. Despite the fact that i am usually able to find something good even in my not favourite episodes i do not have almost any ideas about something similar there.
The main enemies were maybe the worst from the whole tv series. The whole idea with the giant ants ruling above the people seemed to me quite ridiculous and i have no doubts that people would find a way how deal with them. The idea of a crazy man, really. The crazy inventor was not an interesting character at all and the naivity of the crew that stealing of his whistle resolves the whole situation was strange as well.
The supporting roles were uninteresting as well and Taryn was very annoying for me, maybe the most of all girls of the week.
The ending scene i mentioned it several times but i really hate how Sinbad behaved towards Bryn there, any trace of shame or remorse, simply was kissing this girl in front of her. Sinbad and Bryn kiss was very devastative for me when i saw it for the first time (a hard blow for a M/S shipper) and i still do not have a good feeling about it, it seemed to me quite forced from the side of a screenwriter. The crew reaction confirms me this feeling as well.
Only thing which i like there is how Doubar was there for Bryn at the end of the episode, the funny moment between Rongar/Firouz at the end and maybe the friendship of Firouz with sea lions at the beginning. It is all.
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Post by Doubar on May 18, 2014 9:51:33 GMT -5
Though I feel bad for saying this, but I have to agree. Stalkers is probably the ep that I, too, like least - and that's exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Of course, for a B/S shipper this must be one of the most important eps, at the same time it's a stab to the heart for a M/S shipper. But even leaving that aside, and focusing on how I have come to honestly like and care about Bryn as a character, that moment - the kiss - doesn't feel right for me. I mean, in that scene itself it was okay. He didn't know if he'd come back and if we assume he started to harbour feelings for the brunette then sure, he'd take what might have been his last chance to kiss her. But if so, then he should have acted differently afterwards. Show her that he really cared and not just snog Taryn. That was such a low blow and beyond mean towards Bryn. I understand that if you want to see this in the bigger context and want to postulate that he's got mixed feelings, that maybe he is even too scarred to really let himself love again (after all the only two women he ever honestly loved were both taken by the sea) so much so that he backpeddaled a retreat makes sense but this? This is nothing but dishonouring Bryn and it's also probably the only scene were I truly am mad as Sinbad as a character, and where I'd like to talk some sense into him. But that aside. So apart from that, yes, as sad as it makes me to say but I don't find the ep to be too interesting either. The villain creating giant animals was a bit of a re-used element and I felt a like the ep lacked what I could maybe describe as 'spirit'. I don't mean to say it's a bad ep though and I just adore how Doubar was there for Bryn when Sinbad obviously hurt her (as Doubar/Bryn shipper this is a truly touching moment to me), and a that moment when Rongar pulled Firouz away was glorious. But, yeah, it's just not really a favourite.
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Post by manche on May 18, 2014 10:49:53 GMT -5
Now when i look at it as a man who likes the character of Bryn (whom I was not during first viewing) i also think that is quite unfair treatment with her. I am not quite sure what made to Sinbad to kiss her (if he really has some feelings for her) because his later behaviour did not look at something like that. Maybe for this reason the rest of boys did not look very pleased during that scene? Your idea would really give sense if he tried to hold back after the return only but kissing an unknown girl in front of her as if nothing happened between them? I agree i also do not like him as a character at this moment.
Yes a certain resemblance with the idea of the villain in Monument, even their intentions were a little similar. I do not like Monument so much, but i think that this episode is a lot of better. I thought that a certain familiarity of Firouz with this inventor could bring something more into this episode, but it was not a very important factor of this episode in the end.
Yes the term "without spirit" is quite accurate.
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Post by Doubar on May 19, 2014 12:18:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I, too, must admit that when I first watched the ep I didn't do so as someone who liked Bryn but only as a M/S shipper. Which, of course, didn't help matters much. But now that I really like Bryn as a character and regard her to be part of the crew and would love her and Maeve to be friends, I cannot help but feel so sorry for her. And I still don't understand Sinbad in this ep. I mean, like I said I do see reasons why he kissed her and I could also understand if he'd withdrawn afterwards or just acted like nothing special had happened (if that scene had just ended after the two of them shared that smile and the nod when he came back things would have been perfectly okay, maybe even fine for me - seen from nowaday's point of view anyway) but kissing Taryn? That's just cruel and not explainable in any way other than that Sinbad is being a right git there. And I'm sorry about saying that, but he is. Funny enough, I don't like the Monument too much either. I do like the scene in the tavern at the beginning and that moment when Dermott defends the crew and then Maeve runs to help her brother and that lovely scene between Maeve and Sinbad - aw, who couldn't like that one? - but apart from that it's not really amongst my favs. Which really is a pity. Firouz and Rongar were great friends, it would have been awesome if they'd been the heroes for once.
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Post by manche on May 19, 2014 12:50:43 GMT -5
I see that we have the same opinion in this issue. If this scene ended after his nod at her, it would be okay (i am not a B/S shipper, but i really like Bryn as a character), but this? He really behaved as a git there. I was quite surprised that Doubar or Firouz did not say to him later a few sharper words, he really treated with Bryn there as with a piece of rag (no offense).
I also consider Monument to be one of weaker episodes from the first season. I only think that is better in comparison with this episode (they share some obvious similarities).
Yes, a small change would be nice. I mentioned somewhere that in the first season it was not always Sinbad who saved a day or he did not save it alone. The second season is a different case also in this issue. But why do you think about Rongar concretely in this case instead of Doubar for example? (Firouz had a connection with this villian so i understand why you mentioned him as a possible hero there)
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Post by Doubar on May 20, 2014 12:50:13 GMT -5
Yep, we do seem to have the same view on this issue indeed. And as far as character continuity goes, I, too, am disappointed that none of the guys said anything about it. I am aware though that in the show conflicts and problems like love triangles or such matters were hardly ever tackled so it doesn't come as a too big surprise that they all just acted as if it was nothing although Sinbad probably just broke Bryn's heart. Yeah, in S2 it seems the crew hardly ever got to save the day. While they really were a team in S1 I feel that Sinbad was the sole hero much more often in the second one. No particular reason, really. I just would have loved the two of them to be the heroes for once and since you mentioned that Firouz was familiar with the inventor ... that's all.
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Post by manche on May 20, 2014 13:07:45 GMT -5
I would like it as well. I think that the only case where the crew (without Sinbad) was the hero in the second season was in A Gryffin's Tale. They released the cub there and it was more important than the punishment of Maleck. And maybe Rongar in Ali Rashid and the Thieves, he killed the main villian there, not Sinbad.
I would say that Doubar did not look very happy because of Sinbad's behavior but it is quite disappointing that he did not say something directly. At least, he tried to comfort her a little. And i can not imagine that Firouz would try to talk about it with Sinbad (Rongar could not, even if he wants). I think that the only person who could lead a similar conversation with Sinbad would be Doubar.
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Post by manche on Jan 29, 2021 12:21:43 GMT -5
Does anyone find strange a fact that the main villain did not sent his army of ants to go after people immediately after Bryn, Firouz and Sinbad left his castle (when he woke up from the unconsciousness)? Instead of it, he evidently did nothing which gave the crew and villagers enough time to prepare a trap for the ants (all these preparations and the work alone must take a longer period of time). Was he simply sitting in his castle the whole time and he was scratching his head only?
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