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Post by manche on Aug 23, 2013 15:03:33 GMT -5
Yes he was shown as the gentelman since the beginning. I remember how he gallantly offered his hand Maeve when he helped her to get to the boat in the second episode. And that was the first time when he saw her. I think that she had the good relationship towards him from the beginning, she has some disputes with Doubar ( only small disputes, maybe more from the Doubar's side) and with Sinbad at first (i think that she also did not have any disputes with Firouz) but later her relationship with Doubar and mainly with Sinbad became much more deeper that her relationship with Rongar or Firouz.
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Post by manche on Aug 23, 2013 15:23:54 GMT -5
manche: Hym, I'm almost sure we were given the name of the island in "King Firouz". At any rate we were given the name of the neighbouring one.  Also, I thought the island of the Valley of the Collossus was mentioned at one point. And even if it wasn't, at least the valley had a name. Lol. And Princess' Gaia's island... didn't that have a name, too? Or do I confuse them all with the cities and villages that had names? Might be. At any rate, we didn't get to know those either in S2 if I am not mistaken.  Yes we heard the names of more islands in the first season: Coruzar (The king Firouz), Baronia (The Ronin), Mirago (The Masked Marauders) , Mylagia (Monument), Linopya (The Eye of Kratos), the Lake Isle of Leopold (The Ghoul's Tale), The Isle of the Bliss, Arborea (The Prince Who Wasn't), Bagdad and Basra of course A few islands where the name was not mentioned we can find there but we can find definitely more than in the season two. |
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Post by manche on Oct 10, 2013 4:27:59 GMT -5
One of my favorite episodes from this season.
I like the scene at the beginning where our crew visited the market. There was some humour (the merchant with the interest about Rongar's knives, Firouz and his very valuable vase), Doubar's weakness for women.
I like the character of Timour, a little confused young man who wanted to blindly walk in the father's footsteps and the people around him showed him that he can choose a different way. it was nice how he looked at Dermott at the end and he felt free also.
The main opponent was not very interesting for me, Scratch would have been better and in his case i would understand why he had the interest about Sinbad's soul. But i remembered that in the last episode of the season one Scratch mentioned the dead friends in his realm, it could have been the possible reference to the lord of darkness.
Firouz once again tried to find the scientific explanation for magic, in some fields he was the same person in both seasons.
I did not like very much how the crew was gradually separated during the journey to the hell, i would appreciate rather common struggle against this evil, but it is not so important for me.
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Post by Doubar on Oct 10, 2013 18:01:53 GMT -5
Yeah, the Lord of Darkness was a weird foe. Not really interesting and too clichéd (in my eyes anyway). But yeah, the topic with Timour was good - the old question of who you are and who you want to be. Of following others blindly or think for yourself and have the chance to be free. Timour learned that maybe what he thought to know was right and okay just wasn't that but wrong. And he had to face the fact that his father wanted nothing but take over his body and walk on earth again. Out of his parents, it was really only his mother who truly cared about him. Yep, that would have been nice. |
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Post by manche on Oct 11, 2013 4:14:07 GMT -5
Yeah, the Lord of Darkness was a weird foe. Not really interesting and too clichéd (in my eyes anyway). I agree and it seemed to me a little forcibly created that he had a personal interest about Sinbad without any obvious reason. And his appearance strongly reminds me of the character of Anubis from the Stargate SG1. And it is possible that the Timour's father could have had a certain influence on his behaviour, i think that he said to his mother something in the sense that he had the impression sometimes that he hears his voice in his mind. But he was different, it proved the fact that he did not want to attack the unarmed Sinbad. Sinbad said that Timour the elder would have done it without hesitation. |
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Post by manche on Feb 16, 2014 17:28:39 GMT -5
One small question, nobody knows which kind of fruit wanted Doubar to buy in the market at the beginning?
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Post by manche on Jul 19, 2014 14:45:06 GMT -5
I have a feeling that the name of Hades (the ruler of the underworld according the Greek mythology) was mentioned by the Timour's mother in one moment, but the lord of darkness should not have been identical with Hades, I am right? There was maybe mentioned a certain place in the hell where was Timour sent, if i remember it correctly. So it could be one of Hades's subordinate who was ruling there perhaps? And this dog should have been the mythological Cerberus? I think that the lord of darkness called him by the name one time, but I do not remember it now. Better than the walking tree in "Book of Before" anyway. One interesting note, I do not know if you know The X Files well but i saw an interesting episode about some moth people who were attacking people in a forest (season five, the fourth episode Detour) and they were quite similar to the guardians of the forest from the Book of before. Both these episodes were created approximately at the same time, so it is hard to say if one of these tv series used the idea of the second. I will add a picture for comparison in the future, maybe only my creativity works there too much and the similarities are not so much obvious. |
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Post by Doubar on Jul 19, 2014 16:39:01 GMT -5
Ah, I'm so sorry. I'm really horrible when it comes to catching up on posts these days.  I hadn't even noticed you'd asked what kind of food Doubar wanted to buy. I think though that we already discussed it in the subtitles thread, didn't we? I'm not sure - and wasn't back then either - but I think these are no fruit, but fritters. At any rate, some sort of pastries. And I agree on the whole dark lord issue. While the dog is most definitely supposed to be Cerberus (can't recall it either whether they even named him at some point, it could be though) it was, to my knowledge, never really stated that the lord was Hades. To be honest, I have my issues with this dark lord anyway though. Season One presented us Scratch as THE demon of all, but in S2 we get this dark lord. It always made me wonder who was the more powerful of the two. As for the X Files, I'm afraid I don't remember too many details about them but there is a vague image of that moth people plot in mind. I think I have even seen that ep but never realized it was made at around the same time as The Book of Before. Makes you wonder indeed which came first, or whether it's just a big coincidence. |
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Post by manche on Jul 20, 2014 2:14:10 GMT -5
It is okay, dear Doubar. These topics do not run away anywhere. Maybe you do not have time these days, but maybe you will have in the future again and we can discuss about something again. And thanks, we have already discussed this issue, really.
I think that Hades was mentioned by the Timour's mother, but it could be my mistake, I could wrongly understand the English there. This was the hardest episode which I tried to translate into our language so far. I try to create the subtitle for the last remaining episode for which I do not have subtitle (the guardians) but it would be the next hard episode for translation, how it looks so far.
I did not know this episode of The X Files a week ago. It was created the same year as the book of Before, with the difference of a few months. Maybe it is really only a coincidence.
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Post by manche on Nov 18, 2016 10:51:18 GMT -5
Did you notice that there was a quite visible error in the timeline of the story? When Timour joined to the crew by the fire and Methana was watching it through the mirror, it was at night. She was attacked by the Lord of Darkness immediately after that scene (how long could have been this scene? a few minutes maybe). But when the guards of the lord appeared on the beach to take Timour away, it was the clear day.
And when Timour complained his mother about being defeated by Sinbad, he said something like "The father was never defeated." He could be a small boy when it happened, but he has never heard during his life that his father was caught and killed by a group of ordinary villagers?
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Post by Doubar on Mar 25, 2017 11:45:45 GMT -5
manche: Haahaha, awesome, I never really noticed but these things are true. xD
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Post by manche on Mar 25, 2017 15:00:46 GMT -5
Yes, we can find some mistakes in almost every movie or TV series when we will really concentrate on it, but it isn't important when you like it, is it? For example for me this episode belongs to my favourite from the whole second season, especially thanks to the character of Timour and his arc. It could be interesting to see him again in a different episode, at least for me.
I like his way from dark to light, it was believably done and I like a similar theme when it is well done. (For example, Smallville had a similar character in Tess Mercer in later seasons and she became one of my favourite characters from the whole TV series thanks to her arc.)
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Post by Doubar on Mar 26, 2017 11:25:08 GMT -5
Of course all these little mistakes don't really matter. Nevertheless, it's way funny to detect and share them - especially since they make you realise just how little attention you've been paying to things like that despite how often you've watched the eps. xD xD
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Post by manche on Mar 26, 2017 13:09:01 GMT -5
Yes, you can find something new almost every time when you look at an episode from a new angle. I don't talk only about mistakes; you can start to think about thoughts which appeared in an episode, about plot twists, the action of characters and so on...
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Post by manche on Jun 16, 2017 10:32:03 GMT -5
Did not seem to you the end of the episode a little rushed? I mean Methana said that her magic helps crew to return back, but how precisely? Everyone was transported from the place where he was right now (Sinbad, Bryn and Timour from the lair of the Lord of Darkness, Rongar from the bridge and Doubar from the entrance gate) or they had to return to the place where they appeared at the beginning of the journey? And how it could be that Methana was suddenly free at the end? Did the Lord of Darkness give her mercy or something else? He was not defeated by the crew definitely. Maybe he was weaken by the crew and its magic protection and it broke this spell?
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Also, I thought the island of the Valley of the Collossus was mentioned at one point. And even if it wasn't, at least the valley had a name. Lol. 
I hadn't even noticed you'd asked what kind of food Doubar wanted to buy. I think though that we already discussed it in the subtitles thread, didn't we? I'm not sure - and wasn't back then either - but I think these are no fruit, but fritters. At any rate, some sort of pastries.